Hat tips: multiple people
This deserves its own entry by now, lest the comments clutter up my previous entry, which had nothing to do with Dagstine.
This came up on my FB feed a few moments ago
“Lawrence Dagstine Hi folks, my name is Vance, and I have bad news. It is with great regret that Lawrence Dagstine, fiction writer, has died of a drug overdose in Coney Island Hospital. He was 36 at the time of admission where, it is said, he took 100 painklliers at once. Im learning more as time goes on. Were from the same neighborhood, hung out plenty in CI, and got me into reading SF. At this moment he is survived by one son”Followed by
“Lawrence Dagstine Lawrence R. Dagstine, R.I.P., author of the speculative, weird, and fantastic.
about an hour ago via Mobile Web · Comment · Like”
and
ALERT:
Apparently, someone called Vance has posted on Dagstine’s facebook page that he committed suicide on the 23rd.
I hope this is not some sick joke. But Daggy has been known to use alts and to make fake claims (ear cancer).
Due to all the bad press lately, I suspect he is trying to get rid of the Dagstine name. He may re-invent himself under a new author name and start fresh.
I am just guessing. But I hope this is the case.
I may not like the guy, but I certainly don’t want him to off himself.Check shocklines as well for updates.
Considering that his alleged death happened nearly a week ago, there should have been some confirmation by now, via obit, funeral arrangement announcements, etc. There have been none for either his Lawrence Dagstine pen name, or for anyone with a name similar to his legal name in the state of New York.
The stated cause of death (swallowing 100 painkiller pills) is highly unlikely, given what really happens to people after they do that. This, coupled with the ear cancer hoax from a couple of years ago, leads me to believe this is also a hoax.
The thread at Shocklines about it is interesting. It seems that Ramsey Campbell is suspicious, too.
I was struck that here (http://lawrencedagstine.com/2010/02/12/lawrence-dagstine-how-to-make-5000-00-from-writing/) he says “I sell most of my works a minimum of three times each.” Forgive me – I stumbled on this while looking for online reports of his death. It seems odd that there appear to have been none other than the one originally cited, but if I’m being unfair I apologise to his kin.
Wow.
It’s no secret that I don’t like Dagstine. Why would I like anyone who claims to have driven across state lines to watch my house, and stalk me? Who does shit like that? However, I would never wish death on him, or anybody else for that matter.
*UPDATE*
The following comment from Peter Tennant on my previous entry got stuck in moderation, so I didn’t see it until moments ago.
No date of death has been given on Facebook. Vance only said that he was admitted to Coney Island Hospital by ambulance on the 22nd.
People started to point out that he’d updated Facebook on the 24th. Vance’s reply boiled down to, well if you don’t believe me ring the hospital.
Then somebody called John Cashin showed up demanding who Vance was and how he’d got Larry’s password, and calling bullshit. John Cashin is shown as his sibling on Dagstine’s Info page.
Current state of play is half the people seem to only be reading the first post and are expressing sympathy, and the other half are reading everything and wanting to string up Vance.
I find it interesting that Dagstine himself hasn’t posted on the FB page or anywhere else to dispel the rumor. Granted, he’s probably wanting to keep a low profile right now with all the other stuff going on.
Admittedly, I’ve not been following all the stories and such as of late so perhaps there’s much more going on than I know of. But, if someone wants to pass along the name(s) to search for, I’d be happy to shake some trees and see what falls out.
Jim, there is only a single Lawrence Dagstine in the same age bracket as our Larry, in the area specified and the middle initial is wrong.
I spent loads of money on Intelius and other spots over a year ago looking for him so that I could send him a cease and desist order.
My only clue has been some limited proofs offered to me that his real name is Lorenzo D’Agostino. He used that name seven years ago for a limited time on a now defunct message board.
Beyond that, I hit a dead end.
Keene for the win (via Shocklines):
Consider:
1. He faked his “death” once before.
2. He was recently outed as serially selling reprints to markets as originals.
3. According to The Rusty Nail, his estranged wife had recently sworn out a PFA against him.
4. He’s admitted previously to stalking at least one female within the genre.
5. He has a long, documented history of creating bogus online identities and engaging in the exact behavior demonstrated here.
6. He has, in the past, used those false identities to stir up other mentally-ill individuals and cause trouble for various professionals whom he sees as “enemies”.
7. He faked cancer in an effort to get free books.
8. Etc. etc. I’d list more, but my post would end up deleted.
So, no. I’m not buying it. “Vance” is Larry. It’s yet another desperate and troubled cry for attention. My bet is that he’ll claim his account was “hacked”. And if it is true, then apologies to his loved ones, but it will be one less crazy thorn in my side, and the sides of other professionals who he’s harassed and burdened over the years. Mental illness and emotional conditions are sad and troubling (and I know this first hand) but he’s had plenty of help and guidance and advice and second chances and welcoming hands offered to him over the years. Regardless of whether it’s true or not, he could have taken a different path.
I saw that, and couldn’t help chuckling.
Keene for the win indeed.
And Karen is correct about the vomiting.
I suspect that Vance is one of Larry’s alts. He’s used that one before.
It’s pretty bad when whatever the case — faked or real — the one thought that keeps running through my mind is “You’re doing it wrong!”
The whole “Don’t believe me? Look it up,” bit is Daggy’s MO. That pretty much clinches Dagswine as Vance in my book.
Maybe he should have tried breaking a rolling pin on his kitchen counter and stabbing himself with it.
Brian and Bob’s comments at Shocklines have been deleted.
I imagine mine will be, too, but it boils down to I saw an email sent by Dagstine this morning.
Unless it was his ghost whining… he ain’t dead.
I’m taking screengrabs, although I think I missed Bob’s comment, while I was off doing something else.
JodiLee just posted this on the thread – I presume it will be snipped by Matt just like he did with the others, so here it is:
***********************
He’s not dead.
1 – as stated by Brian, he’s pulled this before.
2 – he’s been caught screwing over not one, but several editors and at least two have called him out on it.
3 – I happen to know he was emailing people this morning. If he wants to fake his own death, he needs to learn to do it after using his email account to whine about unfair treatment and misunderstandings.
April 2009 came after February 2009 right, or did I completely miss a memo about some cosmic bung-up? Necrotic Tissue April’09 in which Dagstine’s story Classroom of the Dead appears, ostensibly as first rights (PDF file):
http://necrotictissue.com…c_Tissue_Issue006_HR.pdf
But here it is in February.
http://www.susurruspress.com/Atomjack/2009/20090201_Classroom_of_the_Dead.html
He can’t argue that NT buys first print rights, because prior to the July 2009 issue, Scott did not ask for print rights – NT was a download.
And Brian Keene for the win again:
Shocklines wrote: This is not the place to make derogatory comments or accusations about Lawrence, hence messages being removed. If you have definite news about his death, or about him being alive and this being untrue, post here or let me know. Otherwise, it’s best to take it to another message board.
Because God forbid people find out they’re mourning the faked death of a con-artist who has stalked, harassed and threatened regular posters of your forum. You never cease to make me laugh, Matt.
Holy food fight, Batman! That SL thread’s a doozy, in an awesome kind of way.
This is like sweet, sweet Christmas in July.
And Keene for the nuke: http://www.briankeene.com/?p=4411
This is all amazing.
I remember the ear cancer thing, because it happened at a time when his name was mud over at Shocklines. He had been busted, was unable to get out of the corner he was in, and suddenly ear cancer, which garnered support and sympathy.
Remember, Larry himself admitted to driving to Rusty’s while still sick.
But once the heat was off him, he made a miraculous recovery and there was never again talk of cancer. I have lost many, many people to that disease and none of that ever gelled with me.
So recently, he was busted for reselling stories and it got to the point where a number of publishers were joining together to blackball him from the industry (I know one said he wasn’t and specifically said he was against that, but in general, he was being ostracized) and once again when everyone turns against him, everyone is speaking ill of him, when people couldn’t be forced to say something nice about him if they had to, all of a sudden we are back to one of those points…
The way we are set up as a civilized society, there is an unwritten rule among goodhearted people that you call off your attack in certain cases, such as if you find out someone is dying, or dead. It’s the only way short of someone actually changing who they are and how they treat people to stop others from speaking poorly of you.
The last time he was in a jam like this, he claimed something that, because of that unwritten rule, got the heat off of him. Now that he’s in an even worse bind (back then he could still sell or giveaway his work, now because the editors have gotten together, not so much) once again we’re at a point where we are supposed to stop speaking ill of him and forgive and forget everything he’s ever done.
Since he’s not dead, it’s not even an issue.
Here’s the thing: IF he had cancer when he did, let’s just say for the sake of argument he did, then he got another lease on life, a chance to start anew. Do you know what he did with that chance? Became so enraged at Rusty goofing on him he stalked her at her home, and bragged about it as a way to scare her into shutting up. I’ll say it again…when I had an alt over at Shocklines, he thought I was Rusty and sent me a PM stating he had “cop friends” and showed me an address and real name of who he thought was Rusty in order to scare (me) into not criticizing him. He went back to trying to bully women into silence. We later found out through official court records that there were abuse charges filed by his now ex-wife, showing he carried out his abuse of women in real life.
That’s what Larry did with his second chance at life.
IT’S A MIRACLE! HE’S ALIVE!!
From Brian Keene on the SL thread:
As of 2:49pm EST today, I have received what appears to be verification that he is indeed alive. See the attachment at the bottom of the most recent post at http://www.briankeene.com.
You fool! Obviously the person who is running Daggy’s facebook for him befriended that woman, not Lawrence himself. You sir know nothing of biology obviously, but when someone dies, they cannot facebooks.
>”overdose in Coney Island Hospital.”
What a coincidence! Larry was writting the complete history of Coney Island! What an ironic, almost PR-like coincidence…
Using my powerful ESPN abilities, I can see into the future…
ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Yes I see something…I see Lawrence…alive! He is claiming his facebook was…hacked…and his death announcement was a cruel joke from someone angry at Larry…possibly one of the publishers did it, so they should be viewed as the real bad guys…
His FB page was just updated to say that he is indeed alive.
roflamo. He got caught and had to come out of hiding. He does not play dead very well, now does he?
Not that I doubt you PG, but could you copy and paste exactly what it says from here on out, including that statement?
I also predict that there will soon be posted an explanation as to why he hasn’t refuted claims of his itarwebz death until now – probably involving some manufactured family and/or medical emergency. Something to get the old tear ducts flowing, yanno? And as I too saw the stupendous coincidence between his history of Coney Island and the hospital of his not-death, there will quickly follow some serendipitous yet heavy-handed self-promotion.
LSL = Leisure Suit Larry, amirite?
Killing off his name would have been smart, because it’s toast at this point. Were he smart, he’d have created yet another alt, added that person as a friend on facebook, THEN faked his death and had the person make the announcement as a comment on Larry’s page, or had him contact Larry’s friends. However even if Larry created a new pseudonym (Lloyd Philip Campbell, let’s say for example) to start over his writing career with, he wouldn’t have been successful. His temper is so bad that his alts always wind up defending Larry on boards or going after his enemies, just like Savage did with Janrae a few months back.
You can always tell when someone who defends Larry or Nicky is fake simply because they are in fact, sticking up for Larry or Nicky. Neither have friends, especially ones that would come to their defense, so when someone does you know it’s them.
@Al: nope, LSL’s legit. Been around lurking for a loooong time, and often posts comments from work. We all know Larry doesn’t have a job, and hasn’t had one for years.
No I wasn’t asking if you were Larry, I was asking if the initials came from that video game called Leisure Suit Larry.
Well, Al, you’ve got to remember that Leisure Suit Larry was only one of our many nicknames for Larry. Then he got all “Banana Republic sweater wearer” on us.
No, they’re my initials. My name’s Livia – you can google me and you’ll find that I’m a legit horror writer. I just knew that if I commented here with my full name, then anyone who searched for me would always get the Rusty posts first, instead of my website. Hey, I’m not stupid: one post here will always get about 10,000 more hits than all of my websites and journals combined!
I didn’t feel sympathy when he came out with cancer, and I certainly wouldn’t now.
One less narcissitic stalker to think about.
But ditto to everyone else. Vance will be hacker or enemy and he will find some way to get sympathy.
Also he was more of a targetter of women than even Nicky. The serious threats and attacks he did were always at women – Janrae, Rusty, Jane (for no reason at all). Also had a weird angle on Karen I think.
Wonder what his ex would think of seeing that on FB.
That’d be fodder for any court proceedings, that’s for sure.
That so-called Coney Island project still doesn’t exist. He’s made too many lies about that thing already.
Here I thought that “faking your death” was something only teens did to get attention.
Hat tip, Larry. Pretending to die, and thus lowering yourself to the age of the Teen EMO, is not a GOOD thing.
I agree with others, too. Him claiming “My account was hacked!” wouldn’t surprise me at all.
As well, that “call the hospital and confirm it” thing bothered me right from the get go. I work at a hospital. I don’t know about US hospitals, but here in Canada we are NOT allowed to give the status of any patients whether living or dead to anyone over the phone, even if they say they’re family. We have no proof, after all, that they are truly family. Usually such calls are referred to a nurse who can then make the decision. The reason is simple; doing so would be a breech of Confidentiality for the patient and that’s something no hospital ever wants to have a problem with.
People like Daggy really need to get a life.
Apparently, he has . . . it’s a MIRACLE, ladies and gentlemen!
Yes, we have privacy laws like that here in the US. Giving out that kind of information would violate HIPAA regulations and could easily get you fired and/or fined.
Does anyone remember what happened with his magazine after the Nicky fiasco? After Lawrence was made to look like a joke? He closed it and removed all of it’s sites citing a personal family emergency or something.
He DFE and disappeared until the heat was off of him, just like he did with his ear cancer.
But I forgot until just now that he did the same thing with his magazine first.
Anybody get screen shots of the Shocklines thread before Matt scrubbed it?
Yup. Give me a few minutes to upload and link to them.
Page 1, pre-snipped
Page 1, post-snip
Page 2
Final snip-and-lock
Lawrence constantly calls Matt a “sweetie”, I’ve seen at least three times where he has done that. He kisses his ass pretty intensely, therefore Matt acts like nothing bad should be said about him. Nevermind he knows full well of the stalking charges against him…
One time around Christmas, during their Secret Santa, I contacted Matt, showed him proof of Larry’s temper and admitted stalking and harassment, and said it wouldn’t be a good idea for him to get a hold of any of his members’ personal info.
Matt agreed, and made it so he (Matt) was the person Larry had to send a gift to. Are you fucking kidding me?!
I read through the comments on SL and I really, really don’t get Matt, at all.
The only way his behavior makes sense is that Daggy is seriously giving him lots of butt-loving alternate to Nicky-poo.
“John Cashin *UPDATE* I have spoken with Larry, who is with his father, and he has authorized me to release the following statement: Due to circumstances of a family dilemma and clinical depression, Larry did abuse ‘Tramadol’, which he takes for Fibro. He was resuscitated and is currently being monitored at Coney Island Hospital. I told him that many of you are concerned.”
LSL’s prediction from a few hours ago
“probably involving some manufactured family and/or medical emergency.”
and again from John
“Due to circumstances of a family dilemma and clinical depression”
The worst part about Vance’s original post? At the end, after Lance indicates Larry got him into reading SF, he does the whole “At this moment he is survived by one son”
If you’re friend died, and you either knew their password or got on their computer where they were still logged in, again if your FRIEND died, would you post their obit that fast? And if this person was close enough to him that he knew how to access his account, how did he not know Larry was alive?
LSL is 100% legit (and superbly eloquent).
There’s something about “Cashin’s” message that doesn’t add up, but unfortunately I’m not in a place to research or elaborate on it. (about to sit down for a game of D&D — yes, I’m a geek
It doesn’t add up is right. The guy in the Cashin user pic does have Daggy’s schnozz though.
It all needs to be picked over with a fine toothed comb. There is just too much wrong with it and Dagstine has done too many nasty things and pulled too many stunts over the years.
The goy who cried wolf?
lol goy. We don’t need to examine it that deeply because it fooled no one but Matt.
Now what’s going to happen is that you will have to pity him and forgive his past actions because he was so depressed he attempted suicide.
Remember Pike2007? Another one only Matt liked because of his constant asskissing?
After being caught red-handed and pretty much done for, he did a Michael Richards/Mel Gibson/Jessie James and checked himself in somewhere, because as StupidFree told us, if someone is messed up enough to be checked in somewhere then you are supposed to forgive and forget. Except Pike, after claiming he would be away from internet access, fucked up and logged into SL the next day and was busted (it was his wife it turned out, who was interested enough in SL to be lurking but apparently not enough to use her own account) so it turned out he didn’t even check in anywhere, just said that for sympathy and to get the heat off of himself.
He at least disappeared for good and didn’t keep trying things like ear cancer and shit.
Cashin has a book out — from Xlibris. Figures. I swear the title on the cover looks like “Hocus Pocus” to me, instead of Nycropolis.
Cashin’s book is listed on Amazon, with a single review by… Dagstine.
BTW, if Cashin is listed as Dagstine’s brother, then why does he use the phrase “with his father” instead of “with OUR father” in that Facebook message? Just wondering out loud…
Ah, I see you already mentioned the book – I think it’s time for whiskey and bed, in precisely that order. 😛
Presumably people surnamed “Cashin” and “D’Agostino” wouldn’t have the same father, LSL; lots of people call their step- and half-siblings just “brother” or “sister”.
That said, I agree with everyone who suspects shenanigans here. For one thing, pretty much nobody but people who have fibromyalgia themselves says “fibro”.
Yes, I do realize that, and realized it might be a possibility that they shared different fathers. However, I can’t quite give Dagstine the benefit of my doubt, and my same disbelief extends to anyone who claims to speak for him or speaks on his behalf. It’s all suspect until proven otherwise, IMO.
I agree with you, LSL.
Everything is suspect when it comes to Daggy. There’s nothing and never has been anything real about him.
From Matt’s thread-ending post: “But for adults to use a message board to hurl insults like it’s a third-grade playground is ridiculous, and not welcome here.”
Unless their name is Pacione, or occasionally Dagstine, or used to be Chimera. What a hypocrit.
I’m sure attentionwhore was suspected of being Larry in the past.
Very glad to see Jerrod called those two posters out. Strong suspicion he’s right or least very close.
Really didn’t understand the comment ‘why talking about him’ when this was over an important issue to be settled.
Plus, as been said, he cheated people with his ‘originals’. That deserves sending warnings.
Also, Ed Wood!! 😀
My Ed Wood avie should keep Nicky away, I think. 😀
But he looks so cute!
What’s next for Larry? He’s had cancer and now he’s died. How will he top that one?
And speaking of tops, i think Matt has found a new one.
I’m waiting for him to roll the stone away and ascend directly into Heaven!
Well, obviously after death comes undeath. So he’ll come back as a Stephenie Meyer-style vampire in the hope of giving teenage girls fizzy knickers.
And anyone want to bet that Peaches will end up writing, err scribbling a post about how it’s all our fault, that we drove him to this?
Nicky’s been so busy banning people at The Author’s Pub today, that he probably doesn’t even know about Larry’s fake death yet.
the implications of what Cashin says are interesting.
He’s implying that it was an accidental overdose by saying that Larry was ‘abusing’ the drug.
Larry is fond of slapping me in my face with “Once a junkie, always a junkie” and he put down pot users with scary accounts of his uncle etc.
Now, he’s ‘abusing’ his meds?
Well if there’s one thing Larry’s an expert at it’s abusing things: his wife, publishers, the English language, himself…
Assuming that Larry is now claiming to have fibromyalgia?
I know people with it and they have a terrible time staying on the net as for very long.
Aaaand . . . Matty snipped the “It’s a Miracle” thread.
Here’s the pre-snipped version.
I can’t believe Matt deleted Ramsey fucking Campbell. Delusions of grandeur much, Matt?
Just glanced at Dead_stine’s FB. He’s finally gotten around to deleting the “Someone’s been pissing editors off” comment, and he posted this gem as his status:
“BRIAN KEENE IS A HERB. Call Lawrence at Hosp.: 1-718-616-6116. (please pass around on Twitter how KEENE is not only a terrible writer but wants to say hi Bitch from his hospital bed.”
That shows up as a Verizon land line number, which, while not too far away, isn’t on Coney Island. Not so oddly enough, it’s also where Daggy usually logs in from when he surfs this blog — which he did earlier this evening to read through four entries I made about him over the years, without reading any of the other entries. Hmm.
Lawrence Dagstine supposedly is near-death yet finds the strength to attack Keene for criticizing him on a blog using only his own words to make him look bad.
All you have to do is alter the words in bold, go back a few years, and you get
Lawrence Dagstine supposedly has ear cancer yet finds the strength to drive to the house of Rusty for criticizing him on a blog using only his own words to make him look bad.
Funny how in every internet-publicized health crisis in his life, he always manages to attack people who goof on him. It’s like he forgets he’s supposed to be this very ill victim when he loses his temper.
we still don’t know what that word is supposed to mean unless he has mistaken Keene for a daisy.
I’d venture marjoram . . . 😉
Rusty, Janrae: Check yer emails as fast as humanly possible and if you would be so kind, please reply just as fast to let me know you got what I sent.
@AII: ROFLMAO. Now I can pack it in for the night.
that was amazing. Purely amazing. Ty, Angry.
I just got to thinking. Even if we DID call the hospital to ask about him, they couldn’t give out any info. HIPPA rules won’t allow it. =)
No one needs to call the hospital. I did some sleuthing. That number is absolutely NOT a Coney Island Hospital number.
1) Plug the number into the Intelius site. When the info comes up, note that it is a land line, and therefore LATITUDE and LONGITUDE coordinates are given. Yay!
2) Go to http://www.gorissen.info/Pierre/maps/googleMapLocation.php and pop the lat and long numbers into the site. OMG – a pushpin! Could that be the location of CIH? Drill down until you get the name of the street and a cross-street. Hmm…
3) Open up a new window, go to regular Google Maps, and put in at least one of, if not both, streets. It will come up with a map of Brooklyn. Drill down to the little virtual pushpin until you have the approximately same map as in your first window. Click on the little man and float him over to the street, and when the photos come up, tell me if you see any big damn hospitals on that street.
And then we all had ice cream! ;D
Dagstine will never be able to save himself from this. Discovery was too easy.
I wish I could have ice cream with some of you guys… 😛 🙂
He has now edited that post, cutting out everything after the word “HERB”
So he finally does something smart and closes the barn door after the horse has gotten out?
From Lawrence Dagstine to me, via Facebook message: “I was hacked. I tried to take my life because my ex wont let me (even with court documents) see my son… Take that back to shocklines, brian keene, and rustys place. I’m still in the hospital a week and aint leaving too soon. Take that message back to the three places I mentioned above and I’ll re-add u.”
From Keene’s blog regarding Larry’s number that he posted online asking Keene to call
“Except that the number is a Verizon land line number in Nyack, rather than the number to his supposed hospital room in Coney Island.”
>”is a Verizon land line number”
This is my face when I realized Larry posted his home number on the web o__0
YOU HAVE TO BE SHITTING ME
” From Lawrence Dagstine to me, via Facebook message: “I was hacked. I tried to take my life because my ex wont let me (even with court documents) see my son… Take that back to shocklines, brian keene, and rustys place. I’m still in the hospital a week and aint leaving too soon. Take that message back to the three places I mentioned above and I’ll re-add u.”
>”I was hacked.”
-Okay first off, we called that he’d cry hacked.
-Secondly, if someone were to “hack” him, how did they know he took a bunch of pills and tried to kill himself?
-The “hacker” seemed to know something VERY personal and serious about Larry, before Larry’s own brother did!
Oops sorry, I got that from here
http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/15722
I call bullshit.
So his Facebook gets hacked and someone claims he’s dead, Larry claims he tried killing himself because he lost the custody battle in a big way, and his “brother” says he was actually abusing meds.
Damn fool can’t keep his own lies straight.
He has gone through so many explanations about this.
So what is it?
Was he hacked
Hospitialized
Od’d
suicide attempt or an accident?
Dead, undead, or alive?
Every time we turn around, he has a new excuse / explanation for that initial post.
This entire thing is just too fishy.
Oh and that bastard would try using his son to garner sympathy.
What an ass…
It’s the same game Nicky played.
Lost custody: check
Blames ex: check
Blames being nuts on custody and visitation outcome: check
Both were wackadoo long before losing custody, IMHO, but use it as a convenient excuse.
Not to mention that IF he actually did attempt suicide, a judge is not gonna let that kid anywhere near him unsupervised. He just made his ex’s custody case a whole lot better.
Tramadol?
TRAMADOL?
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!
Hey, Daggy, next time make it sound more riskier. I don’t know, maybe you stepped out into traffic, or drank Drano.
But Tramadol?
If you really did it, you’ll be in for a surprise in about 10 years when your liver shuts down.
It’s a sign of how low Shocklines has sunk that there are no less than three Dagstine threads on the first page.
Three because Matt trimmed THEN LOCKED the first two.
I think he realizes what Larry has done and rather than justify protecting him he it working on preventing that option on there.
Because it was ok to protect him when it was proven numerous times about the stalking and harassing of women…on Matt’s own board. Yep, Matt has seen lots of proof of Larry’s hatred and stalking of women, and seems to think that was ok.
Dagstine managed to get a thread of his own on the BFS Forum (which is freely available to any “writer” to relay news about themselves). His “death” managed to get there too, but I think I’ve managed to set the record straight. After this I hope we can get the faker off that site.
http://www.britishfantasysociety.org/forum/index.php?board=53;topic=2414.40#msg18015
I am appalled at Matt’s attitude on Shocklines. His credibility is no better than the nutjobs he protects.
I’ve been wondering the same. How does a hacker know something about Dagstine that his apparent brother doesn’t, and came as a complete shock to his enemies?
That would suggest someone quite close to him really hates his guts. Also would mean ‘Vance’ didn’t know of places like Rusty where it would be prime to announce.
Can’t help but suspect the truth is closer to the more mundane – overdid the medication and had to have his stomach pumped. He’d always want to make that out to be far more serious so it doesn’t look as stupid.
As, can someone bottle whatever Dagstine is made of and improve the entire human race?
This bloke is like the Terminator! He gets cancer but is back online in no time. This time he died/nearly died and is in hospital/with his dad and yet there he is online again.
Maybe he has a modem plugged into an arm as well as a drip feed?
The answer’s a lot simpler. The hacker is the same person who crammed a load of pills down his gullet, gave him ear cancer and then got the restraining order put on him. It’s a conspiracy, I tells ya…
Gasp! Surely not!
Find it also very telling that Dagstine’s respone on FB says to let Sl, Keene and Rusty’s place know.
Nothing about letting people who might care or be interested know.
Thing is, if he’d really swallowed 100 Tramadol, his stomach would have pumped itself out quite violently. He’d also be in a psych ward. Whenever Nicky’s been in a psych ward, he disappears for weeks on end because he’s not allowed to have internet access. Yet, Daggy apparently does.
His concern about getting out word to my readers is rather . . .
touchingtouched. As is giving out his own home phone number so everyone can callto voice their well-wisheshim on his bullshit.Rusty, I seriously doubt that things had changed much since I tried it in 88. And my experience matches up with your data.
He would not have internet access. He would be in the psych ward and they would be holding him for a minimum of 72 hours, but probably longer in the bin.
Ramsey Campbell calls out Matt Schwartz: http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/15723
Mister Campbell the answer to your question might sound something like this:
“I have this strange inexplicable jealousy and hatred of professional writers. Because my store failed due to a couple of bad choices involving Nitwits, I decided to cast my lot with them because unlike ‘you people’, they think I’m cool, and thus I can still feel like I’m in charge of something special.”
But that’s just speculation on my part.
Once again, I am gobsmacked: Matt just gave a non-answer to Ramsey Campbell, then locked the thread so Campbell couldn’t respond. Because, apparently, this is how you treat one of the most talented (and most gracious) horror writers in the world: like a giant piece of shit. This is the kind of behavior that so often makes me utterly ashamed to claim horror as the provenance in which I write.
That’s par for the course for Matt. If you’re successful and professional, he doesn’t want you on his board.
I can’t believe Matt locked that too. Matt had said yesterday if Larry died it would be sad, and if it were a hoax it’d also be sad but for other reasons.
Well, there is gobs of proof that there are “other reasons” but Matt is like that mom in the Chef Boyardee commercial where every time someone tries to mention the ravioli has vegetables in it, the mom makes a bunch of noise and distractions so the kid won’t hear it.
What, is he afraid people are going to learn the truth about Larry? Newsflash: EVERYONE knows. And the further Matt goes to hide the evidence, the worse he looks.
Was it worth it to protect three Nitwits who never respected him enough to keep their drama off his board?
Oh, and Jerrod’s post for the win! (yesterday, Matt claimed anyone that would think less of Daggy was a third grader. That, or he was referring to the poster that is one of Daggy’s alts and the other chick who people thought was him but wasn’t…she’s just this really REALLY bitter bitch that is still furious a political thread didn’t go her way on there months ago, and she cannot bear the thought of dropping it)
(sigh) All right, can we just officially decree Matt as an official Nitwit now?
Yes, lets do, Ben.
I’ve been calling Matt a Nitwit for years. Ever since he sent me a rather used and abused John Saul novel as a Guaranteed Good Read.
Doubt that will last.
Also noticed the Ethereal G review by mouse. Again, sure it won’t stay, despite being a review and revealing that writers didn’t know they were in it.
I am but a humble messenger…. I shall let my message speak for itself.
Tho’ I did also ask Lawrence for an explanation of this, which didn’t turn out to be part of the message bestowed upon me:
http://www.amazon.com/Nycropolis-john-Cashin/dp/1413441971/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280493313&sr=8-1
Look at the author. Look at the single review.
Sorry your comment got stuck in moderation, David. It’s probably because you’re a first time commenter here. It shouldn’t happen again, unless you trip a keyword.
Larry never answers a direct question. He’ll dodge the issue, call you names, and put more effort into not answering the question than being honest about it.
So I guess Cashin is Larry’s real lst name?
Check the hospital for Cashin and see if he’s been there.
Anyway, this is the last straw for Daggy. No one, no editor worth his or her salt, will believe him.
So I say RIP to the name Lawrence Dagstine.
Moron.
It’s not much of a name anyway.
There is a John Cashin llisted in Yorkville NY who is friends with Dagstine on Facebook.
Maybe that’s his so-called brother?
Hmmm… XLibris, eh? Cashin… Cash in?
I smell rats.
Where Daggy is concerned, that is all you can smell.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
If ever there was a name Dagstine would pick, it is Cashin.
In other news, Nicky has informed me he is going to spread my name out to every anti-bully website he can find, because he claims I am a terrorist and a bully.
Only Nicky didn’t know until that threat, that I was able to record all of the voice mails he has left at Lake Fossil Press, including the homophobic tyrade where he threatens to kill me (“Play God” and put a bullet in my head) which I believe could get him arrested and possibly have his grandmother’s phone line removed.
That’s just one message, I have lots!
Anyhow, even though he would actually be the one getting in a lot of trouble, he loves to cut off his nose to spite his face so if I am ever contacted by police, I’ll have to give them the evidence I have and you won’t be seeing Nicky for a while.
So, here is the worst of the voicemails
http://rapidshare.com/files/410021442/LAKE_FOSSIL_PRESS_voicemail___341.WAV
It says only 10 people can download, so if you try and it doesn’t work, let me know. And let me know if people want to hear all of the calls and would like me to post every single one he’s left me, ok?
And correct me if I am wrong, but Janrae: Didn’t Nicky once call you over and over again so many times that you eventually started reading some graphic operation instructions to get him to go away? Wasn’t he calling over and over and over and not stopping?
Which wouldn’t be a bad thing. I seriously think he needs to be locked up in a mental health facility/jail for a very long time.
I got many, many calls from him. He would not go away. That was 04 after he posted my phone number online. He had gotten it from the HWA directory.
I read details of a vivisection into the phone and after that he never came back. A few months later, I changed my number and blocked the number on HWA.
Alright — I admit it. I LOLed.
I listened to this and I’d say that Nick was most likely drunk when he did it. But that would be stating the obvious, too, wouldn’t it. 😀
Rusty, you weren’t the only to LOL at this.
I got a message saying I couldn’t d/l it 🙁
Check your email, NOS.
Nicky drunk and ranting away at someone over the telephone over imagined slights?
I’ve heard that one before! 😉
Time wounds all heels.
So is this officially the shortest death since Jesus?
So Dagstine was clinically dead for a full minute before coming back to life, according to his Facebook.
I wonder if he saw Elvis.
This is becoming more and more strained. He’s such an obvious liar.
He was Dagstine the Grey, but then he died and came back as Dagstine the White, new leader of the order of wizards.
Probably saw an Orc, and decided Brooklyn was safer.
Again, can people copy the text from there and paste it here? So we can see who said what exactly?
It’s so obvious that he get rid of the Dagstine nam and get a new one.
No one will take him seriously now.
Unless he tries to pull “The Second Coming” of Daggy.
He did come back to life, after all. 😉
Bwahahaha.
Larry is a Zombie.
LOL that, and Dagstine the Grey/Dagstine the White tie for today’s top lulz. Well a three-way with the latest Shocklines thread, where all of my old peers from the good ol’ days returned (even Sad Little Monkey!)
You know what I was reminded of yesterday? “mymotherwasatrekkie”. A blog pops up with the sole purpose of interviewing Daggy, causing much suspicion when the “interviewer” made statements to him like “your fans”, wrote a glowing review, then stopped using that blog altogether.
Maybe he has the same learning disability as Nicky? Both keep trying alts, both are painfully obvious, and neither seems to catch on that every time they fool no one because they keep trying again.
Their alts always fail for many reasons, but the main one is they always pose as a fan or friend of theirs. It sounds mean, but we know neither of them have either one of those. But their egos are so large and unrealistic they keep trying that.
So Dagstine’s claiming that “Vance” got into his FB account while he was hospitalized and posted something that was partially true?
Sure, I believe that. I also believe that Nicky doesn’t look at porn on the internet
We also know that he’s not in the hospital and never was.
Hospitals do not allow you to get drunk.
The phone line traces to an area that does not have hospitals, just private residences.
He’s been trying to find a new spin on this since day one.
We do know that he’s not very good with fiction…
I spoke to Lawrence yesterday not long after he posted his number. Anyone can, although I’d recommend doing a *67 before dialing. Apparently in the past 24 hours multiple people have spoken to him.
He said more than once that he, Lawrence, asked Vance to post online for him, which completely shoots down his statement yesterday that he was “hacked”. He made it clear multiple times that he asked Vance to post stuff online for him, that Vance had access to his account and permission to use it, that’s not the definition of hacked.
me – “Who told Vance that you died?”
long pause
me – “Hello?”
long pause
LD – I told Vance to put it up on the web, but he put it on facebook.”
me – “You told him to tell people that you died?”
pause
LD – “No I told him to put it up that I’m going to be in the hospital for sometime.”
On a sidenote, I found one part of the conversation to be rather sad, although I’m sure others will laugh heartedly, and I have no issue with anyone that finds it funny.
LD – “Who was freaking out?”
me – “Your friend Vance”
LD – (sounding really disappointed and quieter) “Oh really”
Even letting out a soft “Damn” shortly after.
His “Oh really” sounded really disappointed, as if he was curious to hear that a large swath of people were concerned about him, only for me to dash those hopes by only naming Vance.
Granted he is an unreliable narrator at the moment, probably for life, but he did assure me that Vance was not Lloyd Philip Campbell, or himself, “Vance is a real person”.
– Herb
Someone listened to that voice mail I posted this morning from Nicky, huh? 😀
What’s this about Dagstine getting drunk?
Wow. You need hip waders to get through the bullshit Dagswine’s been laying out this week.
Oh, and if I remember correctly, drinking might just be a major no-no if you have fibro. At least that’s according to one friend of mine who actually has it.
For those of us who don’t have the, ahem, good fortune of being one of Daggy’s FB friends, any chance of a screenshot of what’s been posted on his wall and such?
And Matt failed at logic 101.
Oh, let’s not judge him too harshly for that. What’s one of his failures among thousands?
How can you tell Deadstine is lying? His lips are moving.
don’t you mean “he posts something online”?
Come on you guys he’s not that bad. Sheesh.
He only lies on days that end in “y”.
This guy is unbelievable. From his FB thread in which he claims to have died and been resurrected:
“…After being clinically dead for over a minute, after ingesting a three-month supply of Tramadol, after having to drink charcoal, gobs of potassium, I do suffer from severe depression.”
“I’m in the hospital now writing this on very little battery power. I’ve been here over a week now. I’m here because of a custody situation… But hopefully God will forgive me and reunite me with my son again. Please keep your hopes up f…or me, because it doesn’t look like I’m getting out anytime soon. I love all of you (you know who you are). NOT Brian Keene or Vance The Hacker. The real Lawrence R. Dagstine, AKA Sober, Former ST writer. Genre profession. Please keep me in your thoughts, as I am in a ‘bad place’ right now. Thank you.”
“Truth be told, I committed suicide… But even the ER were amazed that I came back. I should be dead right now and this guy’s an anamoly was what two doctors said who restarted my brain and heart (to make a long story short). As for submi.tting reprints, entirely separate thing. This is about a man who only wants to be with his son, the parent who missess him so. When I get well, I will put a well-thought out blog update. But give it time, as a lot of ruthless people out there are trying to make me into something I’m not. Larry.”
So the douchebag isn’t satisfied with claiming death and resurrection- he also had to do it an a way that amazed the medical community. He even acknowledges the reprint issue, and isn’t above using his son as a smokescreen.
Here are some captures from Deadstine’s FB page:
Main page:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy272/GottaLoveNitwits/deadstine.jpg
Comment thread regarding his glorious resurrection:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy272/GottaLoveNitwits/deadstine2.jpg
Since normal dosing on Tramadol is 4 times a day we have now gone from 100 tablets to 360 tablets in one go.
Assuming he could even keep it down, he’d be dead. No miracle. Nada.
And folks, you don’t restart the brain. You restart the heart and breathing. That wakes the brain up.
The lies just keep growing.
Excellent, Dave! Thanks.
What a drama queen. Good to know some things never change.
So, he’s using his Droid to surf and post to his Facebook. Pretty sure psych wards don’t allow that. Plus, people in psych wards don’t drop like flies within minutes of each other.
Also — why in the hell would he be on “24 hour suicide watch” a full week after he was admitted? This baloney makes as much sense as one of his short stories.
I think that he is trying to make them believe that he’s in CCU or ICU.
With a verified suicide attempt (he keeps saying he ‘committed’ suicide — clearly not knowing the difference between commit (successful, you’re dead permanently) and attempt.
As soon as the patient is stable from an attempt, they are moved into the psyche ward for an extended eval.
He would have no way of communicating from either ICU or a psyche ward. They would take his phone away.
I know I am stating the obvious, but if he were still in ICU it would mean that he was still semi-conscious or unconscious.
Hospital psych wards are equipped to handle the physical aspects of a person who has attempted suicide as well as the mental.
Because of the nature of my insurance at the time, my two weeks in the psych ward following my 1988 suicide attempt was spent in Beverly Hills. So my first hand knowledge is from 20 years ago and from the upscale end.
But the primary emphasis of the psych ward was to prevent outside stuff from reaching the patient in order to provide a controlled environment for healing and so forth.
A cellphone of any stripe would be a violation of that controlled environment.
He would not be on a 24 hour suicide watch, Rusty, he would be in an environment so strictly controlled that they would not have to keep an eye on him.
If you’re a woman, they take away your bras so you can’t hang yourself with them and if you’re a guy wearing a jock strap when admitted, they would take that away.
No one has to watch you. You’re in an environment that is so closely defined that you can’t harm yourself.
Research has never been Larry’s friend, has it?
Love the “very low battery power” he wasted taking another stab at Keene, while trying to garner support for a career comeback. *snerk*
“who restarted my brain and heart”
Restarted his brain? If you’re brain has flat-lined, you’re fucking gone.
And in his case, wouldn’t it be “Started” his brain, since he’s apparently never used it?
And Tramadol? He’s a miracle return because of Tramadol OD? Horse shit.
“This guy’s an anomaly” because he OD’d on Tramadol?
Man, what a liar.
At least be believable and claim you OD’d on real painpills or drank Drano.
It took me less than a minute to look up Tramadol on the Google:
http://www.drugs.com/tramadol.html
Note that there’s a “high risk of seizure” if you have a history of epilepsy or seizure disorders.
Dagswine once claimed that he was having seizures. I doubt a doctor would prescribe this knowing Dagswine’s “medical history.”
Oh Daggy, it’s so easy to call you out for lying — it’s not even a challenge any more.
Thank you for remembering that, Mike.
You are very right about it.
Sorry for the size and low resolution. I did some trimming to try and make them readable. Not very experienced with this screen-capping thing.
A friend of mine just had a conversation with Mr Dagstine. He wants everyone to know the following:
Apparently, Vance Carter is a professional hacker that Daggy employed.
When Daggy was too busy writing, he used Vance to log in as him and post replies to Rusty and other places, pretending to be Dags.
However, Vance was not supposed to post the suicide attempt, as Daggy did not want anyone to know about that. That was a mistake by Vance that Daggy is really angry about.
He wants everyone to know how sorry he is for distressing people.
Not saying I believe this, because I DON’T!
Daggy is obviously doing damage control. I think he posted that suicide attempt when he was drunk and wasn’t thinking clearly.
Now he realises he made a mess and is desperate to clear it up.
I call more BULLSHIT on Daggy.
But that’s just me.
Looks like more of Dagstine’s attempts to pull himself out of the mire he’s thrown himself is being spread around. Check this on the British Fantasy Society’s Forum: http://www.britishfantasysociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2414.30
Wow. It spilled onto a fourth page. I see Mr. Campbell added a comment, after Matt gave Shocklines the equivalent of an ICQ “trout.”
He had an extremely good point, asking about Daggy’s ability to post on his own behalf. Obviously, Larry’s been doing just that, on his own Facebook. But, he’s avoiding the forums.
After all, the screen captures from Daggy’s Facebook, courtesy of Dave, clearly show that Larry’s posting there, using his cell phone, that he changed his password, to keep Vince the Hacker out of his account, and a whole host of other interesting things.
The giant-sized pooper scooper I use for my pack of Rotts couldn’t shovel this much shit.
I know someone who had a near emotional breakdown last year. She camedown with serious illness due to stress. She was put into hospital for a few days and put in the psych wing. Close watch but nothing too serious.
Guess what? No internet access. They even cut her hair and only allowed her half a cup of milk.
It’s amazing how bad this has become. He’d be better off saying he got really drunk and miserable one night so posted his death to see if it would hurt anyone.
Also love this Vance thing. Vance was supposed to post about an attempt and yet gave an obit instead.
Suuurrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee! Easy mistake.
Oh yeah, almost forgot.
“Truth be told, I committed suicide…”
Never has one line summed Dagstine up so well.
His own fabrication becomes his honest confession.
That line deserves a place on my Notable Quotes page.
http://www.britishfantasysociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2414.45
“…I wonder why Mr Dagstine is using so many different ones [“messengers”] to post updates and explanations. If he is able to communicate with them, can he not himself post in the forums where he’s a regular (such as this one and Shocklines)?”
Shockingly clear logic from Ramsey Campbell over on the BFS forum – where evidently no one can tell him and the other raging third graders to STFU…
It’s getting so that Dumbstine can’t even keep track of his own lies.
I’m going to be gone a good portion of the day. Would someone mind taking screengrabs for posterity, in case anything juicy develops?
In the meantime, talk amongst yourselves.
It would be a shame if his ex or the judge in the custody case got a hold of this information…
Well it’s all over the net so I’d be surprised if they didn’t.
In other news, Nicky is going to the police. No, wait. Nicky is the police. Or at least he’s stuck a blue LED on the end of his dick and is making howling noises. http://angryinillinois.deviantart.com/
If he actually did go to the police I’m sure angry could make a case against him as well for harassment and death threats among other things. 🙂
I think I already know the answer from the Morris Police Department to any complaints filed by Nicky:
“Mr. Pacione, please go take your medications, calm down, and try to stay away from the internet. There have been no crimes committed against you that haven’t happened in your fragmented imagination.”
Then, the cops break into raucous laughter.
I wonder if Nicky tried to file a complaint against Angry without even trying to find out his real name.
“Yes,” he would lisp, “his name is Angry in Illinois! Look it up on the fucking internet! He’s stealing my companies!!”
I like Phil’s version better, but Ben’s is probably closer to reality.
Almost certainly true, but you’ll note that it doesn’t actually negate the possibility of him ramming a blue light bulb onto the end of his flaky little gitprong and howling as suggested above.
I craft these horrible mental images because I care, you know.
Today’s Deadstine FB jewel- it’s because he’s a “pretty well known” public figure “like Lindsay Lohan.” No, really, he wrote it:
[In reply to a post from ‘John Cashin’]
“Goes all the way back to 2007. 85% Propoganda or “Let’s get Lawrence” lies. This is what happens when you become an artist or writer, get pretty well known, and enter the ‘Public Sphere.’. They treat you like Lindsay Lohan and throw tomatoes at you. Know what I mean? Welcome to the Internet Age. I think the SADDEST part is that people are in their 30s thru 50s. Around our age and up. Welcome to the madness, and thanks for helping out again while I heal at the hospital. Your Brother, Larry.”
No, Lindsey is a celebrity, not a wannabe.
And lies? Everything we’ve ever said about him came from his OWN WORDS. HE admitted to stalking Rusty, HE admitted to stalking Nicky. It was HIS emails threatening Janrae and Co. The court records about the abuse? Official records, not lies.
That’s the funny/sad part: We usually don’t have to speculate with him, because we can always quote Dagstine’s own words.
Wait, he’s having to explain to his own brother what’s been going on the last two years?
Also – thanks for helping out. That’s an odd term. If my brother acts for me, well, we rarely thank each other I admit that. But helping out is something you say to a casual friend. It just sounds so distant to me.
This is what happens when –
you stalk people online
you stalk people for real
you use alts to wind an unstable person up
you demean the genuine problems of others
you pretend to be dying
you fake your own death
you cheat and lie about your credits
you act like the vile and vicious shithead you really are
Well yes, if those are lies then as ever he is the one telling them.
I did not know who Larry was until he attacked me. I made a single post that referenced the Literary Bone because of the Nicky connection. And then I simply forgot about him, until many, many months later he arrived out of the blue making threats.
And he plays the age card, just like Nikki.
No Larry, you aren’t “pretty well known.” You need to make the pro markets to do that.
As for the lies — they’re all coming from your mouth, and we’ve got more than enough proof of such. Stop talking to you alts, Dagswine. It’s not fooling anyone.
I don’t believe that John Cashin is an alt because he was so shocked by Vance’s post.
I believe that it is very clear that Dagswine’s clumsy wannabe hacker friend was supposed to spread it across places like Shocklines that Daggy was dead so that Daggy could then reappear and deny it.
But the shock value was lost.
I think Dagstine has defeated himself here.
And, yes, Mike, the resemblance to Nicky is remarkable.
Aaaand… he’s deleted the John Cashin/ Lindsay Lohan thread. It’s almost as if he’s lurking here, then snipping threads on FB.
What he thinks that if he deletes the post we won’t remember it? His strategy is to post something stupid, delete and try something else until he gets the results he wants?
John Cashin is real.
Not sure about Vance. But he could be.
Either way, he’s gonna make Vance the fall guy for “letting it out of the bag”.
And I think Cuss is right. It was a plan to shift attention away from the Reprints issue, and it backfired on him horribly.
right now, vance is very iffy to me.
Larry has a habit of getting drunk and then posting comments and stuff. He has admitted as much in posts.
Assuming he was drunk at the time (and that’s not a far stretch), he could have made that fb post himself by mistake.
This mistake is gonna cost him more than he will ever realise.
There’s another thing that people have not yet remarked on. Dagswine apparently kicked some pros off his flist at facebook and then told them that they would be added back if they carried his little messages to the boards.
That’s some very egotistical extortion there.
I bet the pros that saw that just said, “Whatever,” and went elsewhere.
Did wonder about Vance.
Wouldn’t surprise me to find Dagstine got someone to do this for him, then betrayed them to save his own skin.
But then I wonder why Vance doesn’t show up somewhere to defend himself (maybe herself).
This place isn’t hard to find even if Vance didn’t know of it already. It is also easy to post on.
Another little FB nugget:
A.P. Fuchs: “You should so write a book about this.”
Deadstine: “I was thinking of a novella version. Something like “The Horror of Coney Island Hospital,” or something along those lines. Today I’m at the end of the hall, only patient on floor, everybody else went into the Light (or Awareness of Nothingness, which is how I perceived it for the minute My heart stopped).”
Reminds me of another nitwit…
So all the people on the same floor as Typhoid Larry died leaving him alone? Smells like bullshit to me.
The bullshit’s piling high and deep.
I cannot, for a second, believe that anyone would have an *entire floor* to themselves. Hell, we have other hospitals sending us THEIR patients because of one reason or another and there’s always more waiting. I can’t see it being any different anywhere else, especially in the US.
Larry, for obviously lying about you being in a hospital – next to impossible to be totally alone on a floor – you fail a million times over. At least you could have said there were new patients being brought in. 😐
It is frequently in the news here about hospitals being universally overcrowded.
There are never empty floors.
Hospitals are always looking for ways to cope.
Coney Island Hospital is part of the most overcrowded hospital system in the US, mostly because of the size of the population in and around NYC.
“The Horror of Coney Island Hospital,”
Sorry?
He’s commits suicide (supposedly) and the story’s title is about the horror of the placethat saved him?
The horror of a hospital with empty rooms and internet access?
If I believe a word of his shite, I’d call him one ungrateful prick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coney_Island_Hospital
It has only 371 beds.
How can a hospital that size have empty floors while serving a community the size of Brooklyn?
It can’t, pure and simple. Of course, since Larry’s not there, he wouldn’t have a clue, would he?
I think he got the idea of empty floors from Halloween 2
http://www.coneyislandhospital.com/page.php?CPID=21
They have a virtual tour. I looked but I don’t see him there. 😉
One of the women, whom my grandfather had an affair with in his youth, remarked to me forty years after that event, “Bob would rather tell a lie on credit than the truth for cash.”
I think that applies to Dagswine also.
I encountered a close friend online a few minutes ago.
He’s is an Army surgical tech at Fort Hood.
I linked him to this thread and his reaction was as follows.
First he spewed Dr. Pepper out his nose.
Then he told me that there was no way in hell that Dagstine was doing this from a hospital bed.
Patients are never allowed cellphones. People visiting friends in the hospital are required to have the phones turned off while there. This holds true throughout the US.
Poor man. Hope his sinuses recovered within a few minutes. Ouch.
Basically, we have confirmation — from someone who would know — that there’s no way Daggy’s surfing the web, posting Facebbok updates from his cellphone in a hospital.
I knew it!
You would think by now Daggy would learn that we can take five minutes of research to gather solid evidence to refute his lies. I guess Intelligence was his dump stat
He does not have a brain to be ‘restarted’ lol.
There are just a couple of marbles rattling around inside his skull.
A malfunctioning cellphone can disrupt delicate electrical equipment in a hospital room. Those machines are very sensitive. They have to be.
And if you’re in the mental ward after a nearly successful suicide attempt you’re going to have extremely limited access to the outside world. At least that was my experience. Those in the worst shape were kept in a separate area where even what they were allowed to watch on TV was extremely limited. Hell even what the folks in my area wanted to watch was pretty limited. We certainly didn’t have access to the net or cell phones.
Rusty, Lawrence here. There is a “new” floor on Two that has been installed, and I’m on what’s called “one on one” – where a nurse has to watch you 24 hours. I have Internet on my phone, but it’s weak and my father had to bring my recharger. I’VE NEVER STALKED YOU! My doctor on staff has prescribed me Klonopin WHILE I’m here along with ammonia tablets. There is a second, new building to Coney Island Hospital…the old person’s wing and believe me, most of the time, men ten times my size don’t want near the psyche ward. 17186166116. You can even say hi to the nurse. Either Rusty or Janrae only. But get me soon, I havent slept much and somebody called the other night. And yes, Vance is a real hacker/troll (gone rogue i’d say). This has NOTHING to do with the reprints. And I have never beat my wife…… I’m a Man Trying to get awarded FULLERFULL-TIME custody because she has anger issues and my child is not safe with her. Either RUSTY or JANRAE, I invite you to call me or the hospital administrations. I am VERY Humble in asking you to call me half-medicated, and I come on peaceful terms, which speaks a lot. Keep NOTE OF THIS — If I dont speak the truth, I will retire from writing fiction next year after my colletion MIDNIGHT comes out (it’ll be my swansong, or, as Thomas Disch said when he committed suicide — “ToHell With Genre.” Please also post this onShocklines, Larry, Peace.
I love the smell of bullshit in the morning.
So kind of you to waste precious battery power attempting to do long-winded damage control here, rather than at Shocklines or the BFS forum.
You are aware, aren’t you, that the moment a judge hears about your overdosing and suicide attempt, your hope of gaining child custody will be gone with the wind.
Nope… not believing a word of it.
That second floor is for pediatrics and medical surgery accordint to the hospital’s website. There’s no mention of a second building.
If you were in the hospital for treatment regarding a suicided attempt, you wouldn’t have your phone, let alone your charger (and apparently according to more than one of your posts it’s not the first time your father had to bring it to you, but it’s still bullshit).
To reaffirm what LSL said, the phone number you list points to a land line located on Avenue R in Brooklyn at a building that doesn’t look like a hospital (zoom in and switch to “satellite” — lots of pools in that area). In fact, said land line is located about 3.8 miles from Coney Island Hospital.
Vance is one of your alts, based on evidence from “Herb.”
I noticed you only want Janrae or Rusty to call, supposedly so you can try to cow one the wimmen what dare oppose you.
And, of course, you plug your half-assed writing.
So why can’t you post this on Shocklines yourself? Oh that’s right, it’s because you got called out on the carpet for selling your reprints as new work.
The truth is you’re projecting your anger issues (again) and that your son is not safe with you. Once your wife and the judge in the case see this little act of stupid on your part, you’ll be kissing custody rights good bye.
You reap what you sew, Dagswine.
Or rather “reap what you sow,” or “rip what you sew…”
Sorry, but since they don’t “restart brains” as you put it, I seriously doubt it.
And you can call my home phone and talk to the former Queen of Givesafuckstan if you want.
You say you haven’t slept much? After an OD? In the hospital? And “half-medicated” you haven’t slept? That right there stinks of bullshit to me.
And why would they call you? So you can get their caller ID and then post their numbers?
Sorry, but if that is even Larry Dagstine, I call serious bullshit on it.
The best bit of it is his promise that he’ll retire from writing fiction.
Because he’s only done that six or seven times already…
Yeah if he’s having to take Klonopin he should be snoozing away. It’s a heavy duty relaxant. As for “ammonia tablets” the only thing I got in a 5-second Google was that it’s a wakey wakey, and there’s no reason it would be used in any sort of medical treatment.
Gotta do your research Dagswine.
“Rusty, Lawrence here. There is a “new” floor on Two that has been installed, and I’m on what’s called “one on one” – where a nurse has to watch you 24 hours. I have Internet on my phone, but it’s weak and my father had to bring my recharger. I’VE NEVER STALKED YOU!”
http://therustynail.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/have-a-hanky/#comment-10826
http://therustynail.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/have-a-hanky/#comment-10826
http://therustynail.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/have-a-hanky/#comment-10826
http://therustynail.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/have-a-hanky/#comment-10826
http://therustynail.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/have-a-hanky/#comment-10826
“Please also post this on Shocklines, Larry, Peace.”
WTFLOL You supposedly almost died but you’re obsessed with messages getting to Shocklines and Brian Keene.
^ Yeah, right. Because he thinks I’ll go join Shocklines, just so I can repost there what he should have posted himself.
“I’VE NEVER STALKED YOU!”
Funny, the last time you came on here you said you did.
“and I come on peaceful terms, which speaks a lot.”
What, Rusty should be grateful you’re not coming on here with your usual threats and nastiness?
The fact came here plugging own work and grovelling says nothing.
Also, who cares if you retire? Your name is dirt in the business now anyway.
Of course, Larry has never stalked me. That’s why he was saying everything he did here:
http://cussedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/suing-critics/
http://cussedness.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/dagstine-attacks/
Piece, Larry
(Piece of what? Use your imaginations)
Ok, reading this made for an entertaining way to start my “day”. Thanks Larry, may your lies keep on growing!
When you’re brought in for an overdose:
1: nasty-ass charcoal milkshake, unless it’s cherry flavored which isn’t so bad. This keeps your body from digesting the drugs and you poop it out.
2: after the emergency room, you’re taken to the critical care unit where your heart and oxygen is monitored, and you’re hooked to an iv of saline water (something like that) to flush out your system.
While on that floor, anyone around you who has stabilized is moved to a regular hospital room to maintain availability for future patients in need of critical care. For this reason, yes, you may have times where you’re alone, but no, it’s not because they all died.
3: Once you’re stabilized, you’re moved to the psych ward for a minimum of a week, usually two weeks, for evaluation and therapy. Once there, everything is taken away: anything electronic, all jewelry, even your shoes if they have laces. Your only access to the outside world is limited phone calls at the nurse’s station and TV access.
I’ve been told that despite the big rule of no cell phones in hospitals, a lot of them don’t enforce it, so it’s iffy regarding posting from ICU/CCU, but if he starts claiming to be posting from a mental ward, there’s no question about the BS.
I hope that helps a little 🙂
Jerrod, he did claim to be under 24 hour suicide watch while hospitalized.
That does not sound like ICU
Furthermore, he is far too active to be still in ICU.
If his ex wife, lawyer, and a judge see his shenanigans of the past few days it’s not likely they’ll let him near his son without strict supervision if they let him get visitation at all.
Not to change the subject, but Nicky sent me a few emails and is leaving messages on my DA claiming he’s called the cops on me and “pressed charges”.
Since he started calling me first (at the Lake Fossil Press number) and even though I emailed him asking him to stop after the first call, he kept calling, in fact only when I’d ask him to stop, it would only make him call more. Since voice mails are one-way, and Caller ID was how I was able to obtain his granny’s home number, it’s obvious he was calling me first over and over, leaving death threats, even after I begged him to stop calling the LFP number.
So I’ll be interested to see if he’s telling the truth or not in his threats against myself, Ant, and Robert, because I have proof of him harassing me multiple times (after being asked to stop) with death threats in his own voice, with his Caller ID, and that by itself is pretty damning. The emails that went about around that time where I asked him to stop and he told me he wouldn’t are also good, but not the best evidence I have of his psychotic stalking.
If he does go to the police I’d turn all that over to them as proof he’s the one making threats/harassing you. Just to piss him off. =D
He’s probably just grouchy about being demoted from admin to mod at author’s pub.
Oops. I wonder how that happened. *Chesire grin*
How is he even a mod???
Mods can be set there to only part of the site. Nicky has been given a few areas where he can’t cause too much trouble. I believe he can not longer mess with the groups, forums, blogs, or individual member pages. He seems to have been pretty quiet over there since James changed things up. I wondered what he’d been up to.
Hey we’re unbanned!
I can post a bit to my blog, but not to groups. I can’t seem to get it to accept a cut and paste from my computer.
Are you using Word for the original text? It’s probably not the same but I ran into problems with Word’s formatting when copypasting to my blogspot due to issues with html and Word’s formatting, the quick and dirty solution was to copy it to a notepad and then copy from the notepad to the blog.
I just read the last few entries Had the charcoal milkshake after EMS brought me there. Got the saline, got the potassium after that. NOW, they put me up in ICU for the fact that heart HAD stopped and other body areas started going on me (bladder – had to wear a catheter). My ear and seizure activity acting up again, and this week the ear surgeons will be visiting me. Ear cancer = true. I have a court order and police report(s) on my wife for not OBEYING the original agreement. I GET MY KID ALTERNATE WEEKENDS, AND SO SINCE HER AND HER MOTHER DIDNT OPEN THE DOOR ON MY WEEK(S), I CALLED COPS AND FILED TWO REPORTS. TRAMADOL AND FIBROMYALGIA = 50 Foot Ant, you are wrong as these were 30mg tablets, and what you see on the Web is the same as in the Merck Manual, et la. I was a pharmacy tech for five years. Vance = real. Vance C. Carter, this guy’s off the radar like Bam-Bam who wants to drop a hydrogen on Brian Keene and finish him for good because of what he did, and he can. BAM-BAM is wayyyy off the rad
Translation: waaah, waaah, waaah, Brian Keene, waaah, waaah.
Keep digging that hole.
If you were still getting the kid on weekends, why did you claim that you tried suicide because the judge had ruled against you so strongly?
You are now saying that nothing whatsoever had changed in regard to your kid.
Yet, that is not what you said a week ago.
Please pick one lie and stick with it.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos325.htm
He counted pills and labeled bottles, so of course he knows everything about meds.
Why do you care what anyone here thinks?
More to the point, Jack,
Why should we care.
Dagstine keeps upping the ante.
At his age, I was already in some pain in my lower back caused by the lack of proper development of muscles and bones in regards to the polio. Yet, I never complained about it. And I forced myself to walk miles. I could out walk some teenagers. I savored those walks because I knew that one day I would not be able to do them.
It made matters very precious to me.
I had to hit my 50s and the point where I could no longer force myself past the problems — no more bulling my way through stuff — before I started to discuss my difficulties.
Dagstine is young. Yet all he does is either brag or whine.
It’s all me, me, me.
Well, shit, Larry. Sounds like you’ve got yourself a whole heap of problems there.
Ever considered suicide? I wouldn’t normally recommend it, as it’s the coward’s way out, but seeing as it’s you… you can’t fuck it up every time, surely.
You’re still lying Dagswine. We’ve already established:
If you were in ICU you wouldn’t have your phone.
If you were in a psych ward as an attempted suicicde, you wouldn’t have Internet access.
The phone # you gave is to a land line in a residential district 3.8 miles from Coney Island Hospital.
If you medical history included seizures, you wouldn’t have been prescribed Tramadol.
Vance is you, and your jealousy of another writer’s career is widely known. You can’t even keep your timeline of lies straight.
Your sub-par career is dead in the water because you were performing fraud and got caught. Thus whole bit is you acting out in a desparate grasp for pity.
Do the world a favor and shut the fuck up until you can tell the truth.
“Vance = real. Vance C. Carter, this guy’s off the radar like Bam-Bam who wants to drop a hydrogen on Brian Keene and finish him for good because of what he did, and he can.”
Which Vance is this?
– “Trust-you-with-my-facebook-password” Vance?
– “Hacker” Vance?
He wants Keene, why? Right now the only person on the web that has an issue with Brian is Lawrene Dagstine. From your deathbed you wanted the world to know
a) you weren’t really dead
b) you were upset at Keene and wanted to talk to him on the phone and call him a “bitch”.
Then, you bribed someone into passing a message on to here, Shocklines…and to Brian…? In the past 48 hours the only person who had an issue with Keene was, you.
So now that you’ve stated Vance wants to go after him (nice threat btw) and no one else, and no one else is upset at Keene but you, you just outed yourself as Vance. Again.
See what I was talking about guys? How Dagstine’s temper always ruins whatever setup he had going (like suffering cancer, but got mad at Rusty and drove across state lines to stalk, going from dying victim to angry stalker)? He just did it again by mentioning Vance (like Lawrence) wants Keene, and no one else.
Larry – using caps to show your ignorance just means you’re shouting your ignorance to the world.
Gods, this is getting more and more pathetic as things go on. 😐
You might as well give up; any credibility you may ever have had is loooooooong since gone out the window. Do yourself a favor and just drop it already.
If Daggy wants stuff posted at Shocklines, why doesn’t he do it himself? He seems to be all over the internet from his cozy hospital bed. Just go there yourself, Daggy, and post.
On that note, I find it awful that Matt could treat such people as Ramsey Campbell and others with such contempt, and simply for asking or making a legitimate question or remark.
It is safe to say Matt’s reputation is as dead as the Dagstine name.
Anybody else find it amusing that Dagswine wants to “drop a hydrogen” on Brian? Oh noes! Incoming atom!!!
It’s just because Brian destroyed his little scheme.
Dagstine forgets that he made a fuckton of nasty remarks about Brian’s infant son. While screaming about a tiny off color remark I made about the effect of Daggy’s marital status upon his own kid.
I’m not trying to steal Brian’s glory, but no one person exposed this scam, because no one person ever believes any of the drama he purports to go through whenever he gets in big trouble somewhere.
He thinks that though, and because of that outted Vance here in Rusty’s comments with his usual Lawrence “Look I’m in a bad way here, something tragic and sympathy-inducing has befallen me…but I am PISSED at _______ for making fun of me on their blog and now I’m going to spend my time posting hate about them arrggghh!
The best part? He said today that he never stalked Rusty, on the very site he admitted to stalking Rusty at her home for dissing him online. After making a claim like that he actually expects us to believe anything else he says!
Heh Brian did use his blog to make him look like a complete fool to hundreds of people who hadn’t heard of him before (book readers) so maybe he’s onto something.
Today’s FB drama- he’s culling the flock in an attempt to root out the evildoers:
“STATUS UPDATE* : Due to my recent hospitilization, a hack on my FB, a lot of “paranoia (severe)” on The Web and ridiculous ideas of Hoaxes, I will slowly be deleting a good chunk of people while I heal. Thank You.”
“Unless I am familiar with you or your work, whether it be as friend, reader, or writer, I know who many of the “Real Folks” are. You are welcome to ask to stay on my FB in this thread, I know who many of you are, but at this time folks I don’t know will be “slowly” put through an approval queue. Once again, this is due to a hack on my site when I was checked into the hospital legit with floating rumors on the Internet by paranoid parties. Peace.”
He had some people I count as friends on his flist. At my urging they dropped him today after I linked them to this thread.
And they were all pros.
So now he’s asking people to beg to remain on his f-list. That tells me two things: he needs the ego boost of having people beg; he indiscriminately friended everyone under the sun.
Is this the Facebook version of a flounce?
English translation: “I’m only friending anyone who brown noses up to me and believes the swill coming out of my mouth, so I can appease my narcisstic ego.”
Rusty, he went out of his way to get people on his flist
Every time he added someone, he went through their flist and invited all of their friends.
That’s how my friend, Daniel, ended up on his list.
I don’t have a lot of people on my list because I’m picky. And I don’t want to be presumptuous.
Dagstine, on the other hand, wants oodles and oodles. Unless you friend him you can’t see how many people are friends with him.
He once claimed that there were 2000 fans of his who had friended him. Everyone who is on his list was considered to be a fan and he used them as references to get more. Especially the pros.
His list grew to around 425 at its height, but it was definitely not and never was 2000+ as he frequently claimed.
Thus, he once again proves that he values quantity over quality.
The only time I see Facebook users with thousands of friends is when they are either a C-level celebrity, or if they play a game like Mafia Wars, and maybe 80 percent of their “friends” are only there so that the person in question has a massive imaginary “mafia” backing him up whenever he or she logs in to play.
Hell, Dagstine might have a serious Mafia Wars addiction. 😉
the only ones who will remain are those too stupid to see through all of this bullshite.
He’s a bloody tosser.
If his facebook friends are anything like me they’ll go “who are you and why do I care that you removed me?”
Too stupid to see through the bullshit or too afraid to risk offending him.
I can’t imagine anyone being so afraid of dear old swaggle-pants that they would not risk offending him.
It just keeps getting more pathetic.
I’m waiting for the ultimate con: “Yes I lied about all of that, but only to hide something worse!”
He’ll use that here soon, just you wait…
Well in his last post here he mentioned that the ear surgeons are paying him a visit, so maybe he’ll have a “relapse”.
He did for all of three minutes in ’07
Dagstine, you’ve messed up big time. All your shit is coming back to haunt you–and this time it has destroyed you.
You have no credibility–not that you ever really had any
You are a liar and a fraudster
You are a manipulative shit
You are a bully
You do not have ear cancer (maybe brain cancer…)
You are a egotistical maniac
You will never be published under the name Dagstine in any respectible “For the luv” magazine again
Any sympathy or support you might have got from respectible people in the industry is GONE.
The Dagstine name is DEAD.
It’s over Larry. You are FINISHED.
And all because you can’t keep track of your lies.
End of story.
He had credibility?
Even if everyone in the world gives Deadstine the benefit of the doubt regarding this incident, it makes zero difference in regard to his writing. Editors who know about the reprint issue will fall into two categories: Those who know about the overdose, and those who don’t. Those in the former group might give him a sympathetic shake of the head because of his personal problems, but still won’t publish him due to his long track record of unethical behavior. The editors in the latter group will just know him as the douchebag who submitted reprints as new stories. Either way he’s screwed.
My hunch is, he made an impulsive decision to kill off the Dungstain moniker and start fresh, but his ego wouldn’t allow it, so now he’s floundering in an effort to somehow spin this into some sympathy for himself.
I don’t think anyone mentioned the FB exchange between John Cashin and David Bain, posted in the comments section of Keene’s post (scroll to end of comments):
http://www.briankeene.com/?p=4411
Every time I think this shit has reached its absolute apex of batshit crazyness, it just goes one step further…
I saw that yesterday. It’s rather convoluted, but I take it that someone — presumably Larry — told Cashin that his name came up on Keene’s and my blogs, and Cashin thought “Who? What? Huh?” Most people would have shrugged it off with a “whatever,” even after being curious enough to go read the posts in question.
Most people, if they also felt the need to respond, would have done so themselves. Perhaps something along the lines of “Hi. I’m John Cashin. Yeah, I know Lawrence. He’s a long-time friend of mine. Yeah, I published a book through Xlibris years ago, but it’s kind of embarrassing, so I’d rather not get into that. ‘Nuf said.” Cashin didn’t do that. Maybe the person who alerted him to our blog entries also told him that we were meeean, evil people. Whatever.
Since he couldn’t contact us through private messages on Facebook, he got a hold of David Bain, who he must have seen comment on both of our blogs. Evidently, he also tried to get a hold of at least one other person who commented on Keene’s blog, but she didn’t take the bait.
Bain posted his exchange with Cashin on Keene’s blog, then washed his hands of the whole thing. Given the timeline involved, Larry then felt the need to post here himself. That’s when he showed up to spew the first of his two long-winded comments.
Truth be told, I found Tyree Campbell’s comment more interesting than the Cashin exchange.
FB update: He’s claiming to have been without sleep for seven days straight:
“DAY 10: No sleep for 7 days straight, sitting by window with Depeche Mode, Enjoy The Silence. Ear team arrives later.”
The scientifically documented world record is 11 days. 7 days is not impossible, but unlikely, especially under 24 hour watch by medical professionals.
More “Woe is me” bullshit. Especially if he’s still claiming to be on Klonipin. The side effects include heavy drowsiness as it’s a muscle relaxant and used to treat panic attacks.
the lies just keep growing.
I stayed up almost 6 days straight due to chemical exposure once.
Hallucinations start at about day 5.
Right now Larry should have his subconscious bleeding over into his conscious really bad by now.
He sure as hell wouldn’t be sitting there listening to Depeche Mode and looking out the window like he was posing for “Portrait of a Sad Man” or some bullshit.
It also got me 48 hours of hospitalization and 14 days of convalescent leave, complete with psych evals and everything else.
So that post definitely invalidates all the bullshit he’s been saying.
someone smell bullshit again?
Lewis called it. It’ll be a relapse. Only it’ll be both ears. And a variety of wasting and fatal diseases that affect only adorable kittens, kindly nuns and people who save burning babies from AIDS-filled orphanages.
And on the third day he’ll rise again, before being assumed bodily into Heaven. Because we were so mean to him.
Bingo. But this time, it’ll be “untreatable,” the way Daggy claimed it was the first time.
Maybe I’ll go harvest the garden, then find a nice place to sit near a pile of meadow muffins to clear away the stench of cow cookies.
We should have had a betting pool going from the first day this was announced. One of us would have gone home golden.
Ah well, we can do it the next time he kills himself.
There you go!
“Larry published several titles with xlibiris, and he inspired me to do the same.”
He inspired him? Odd word choice. Can’t imagine Daggy inspiring anyone. Especially as he is hardly ever known for his writing successes.
“I don’t know what Larry has done to make so many enemies, and honestly don’t care; his stature with me wouldn’t change for anything.”
Don’t care about threatening and stalking and stirring trouble for people? I would! If I had a friend doing those things I’d confront them and sort them out, not ignore it.
I have to say, I’d like to be certain those exchanges were with John Cashin, whoever he is. If I didn’t know he was for real, I’d say that was Daggy alting again.
Use of caps to stress words that don’t need it and trying to pave over anything Dagstine has done. Very weird.
And another FB post-
“EEG RESULTS: seizure-free, just keep up the Depakote as always. Listening to Madonna “Confessions on a Dance Floor.” Dancing around my room in front of suicide watch nurse to Hung Up. You’d pee.”
He reads what we say here and then tries to explain away our disbelief by adding on from our comments.
What doctor would have someone on both depakote and trammodol at the same time?
Answer: They wouldn’t.
Especially because of some of the side effects of Depakote.
“You may have thoughts about suicide while taking Depakote. Your doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not miss any scheduled appointments.
Call your doctor at once if you have any new or worsening symptoms such as: mood or behavior changes, depression, anxiety, or if you feel agitated, hostile, restless, hyperactive (mentally or physically), or have thoughts about suicide or hurting yourself.”
Oh, and check out how the two interact with each other.
Dagswine you need to do a little research if you’re going to keep lying like this, but what do we expect from someone that can’t even read a headline properly.
And for additional shits and giggles, let’s see what possible interactions happen when we add the Klonopin that Dagswine claims to be taking…
So there he lay, debilitated by his suicide attempt, taking drugs that would dangerously debilitate him further and happily dancing in the aisles like a gerbil on meth in front of the suicide watch nurse while lying near to death’s door.
I think my dog would have come up with a better story.
In a hospital, were someone awake 24 hours they’d give them something to help sleep, probably a lot sooner.
I can however, believe being awake that long, up all night trying to figure out how to get out of the giant mess built on lies he has created.
One shoe drops:
“Bad news… Looks like I’m going to be kept for around a three-month evaluation for the clinical depression and attempted depression. The saddest part about this is there are rumors going on outside about me, 75% which is totally untrue, and I’m going to miss my son’s birthday. This actually depresses me more than wh…en I took the pills in an emotional crisis. My apologies to my friends and readers.”
Now we just have to wait for the ‘ear team’ to give its report.
I have decided to no longer interact with this thread.
Instead, I am going to sit back and HOWL WITH LAUGHTER at Dagswine’s antics.
Attempted depression? Attempted depression?
Bwahahahahaha. *snort* Hahahahaha.
One of his FB ‘friends’ had this response:
“Three months? You must have awesome insurance, they booted me after two weeks. Get well soon, man!”
Wondering if he’ll take this nugget of information and come up with a new wrinkle. Maybe the results from the ‘ear team’ will be so horrible that he’ll his depression treatment in order to spend more time with his remaining ear.
You can bet he won’t stay off-line for three hours, let alone three months.
Quit lying, Dagswine.
His insurance is so awesome that it got him a whole floor to himself, a nurse devoted to watching him dance around to Madonna, and . . . covers catering from Peter Lugar. 😉
THREE-MONTH EVALUATION?
Holy fuck, no. It’s not on, Daggy. I have spent far too much of my life begging hospitals to keep people who are dangerously delusional (I mean in the “ripping their skin off because they think they’re being eaten alive by maggots” sense, not in the “think they are professional writers because they reprint their crap in an endless series of 4thluv mags”) in for more than 48 hours.
There are no three-month evaluations. Full stop. Not even for Lindsay Lohan and her ilk.
Not even Nicky gets three months in the nuthouse, and although I almost hate to say it, he probably needs it more than Daggy.
Folks, take all those side effects listed on the medicine pages with a grain of salt. You know those commercials for medicine that helps your stomach, yet side effects are bleeding ulcers, etc?
Or the allergy meds with side effects such as sinus infections, itchy eyes, etc?
While Depakote is mainly for seizures, it’s also used to treat depression because it eases anxiety (it’s a nerve pill, after all). So logically, you’re not suicidal for taking it. There’s just always that tiny percentage who reacts adversely, so they have to list it.
What you read on those pages and what they’re used for clash often.
Jerrod, the drug is not used for depression. It is used to treat bi-polar. It was originally a drug for seizures.
I have taken it. It was one of the first drugs they resorted to six years ago following a seven day bout of left-side only seizures caused by the neurological damage.
It knocks down the highs and lows both to provide a nearly emotionless stablity. Everything felt deadened.
Switched to Neurontin and now I only have intermittant twitching.
The interaction warnings exist for a reason.
I look forward to the day we can rename this thread Dearth of Larry.
I’m holding out for the play version, E-Death of a Nitwit.
Sorry for not being clear enough, cuss. It’s used a lot for manic depressive disorder (bi-polar).
I’m on it for cataplexy (doesn’t seem to help) and migraines that I think were helped more by getting a CPAP for sleep apnea (which also helped the cataplexy).
So hell, I don’t think I need to be on it anymore.
But back to the point, bi-polars are at high risk of suicide, Depakote is used to treat it, and yet look at Depakote’s side effects. See what I mean?
I refused to take it after a while. At first it was helpful for the anxiety edge of my PTSD as well as the seizures. After a while, the stuff just made me feel depressed.
The neurontin does not seem to have as many negative side effects. But for the past few months, I have had numbness and an increase in the fingers jumping and malfunctioning.
So I guess it is time for another visit to the neurologist.
I’m taking about 1K a day.
It just keeps me… stable.
But then I also take Seroquel, Prazosin, Propranolol, and a handful of other medications.
But hey, I haven’t been in trouble in months!
There once was a writer named Dagstine
Whose credibility amounts to a has-been.
He got caught in the shit,
By editors with merit,
Nw he claims all non-nitwits are mean!
Sorry was bored lol! All I could come up with haha!
don’t you mean “never-been”? has been’s at least did something.
well, he has always been fond of calling me a worn out old has-been.
It’s still better than a never was.
And after this latest fiasco, he’s a never WILL be.
Damn it! Typo lol!
Ahhh good point hi! lol
Today’s FB whine:
“I get moved to yet another wingsection of hospital tomorrow, and, I’m surprised at the stupidity of the Internet… Here I am, in Coney Island hospital, in dirty socks, and not ONE sensible enemy or person who dislikes Dagstine would say “Let me make a phone call to Coney Island Hospital to check if he’s all right and on the VALIDITY of the person being there. As in ADMISSIONS. Often a free phone call or 1-800 number.”
Wonder if this time he’ll “move” to a floor that actually exists…
Odd that he wants his perceived enemies to call badly enough to whine that they’re not bothering.
Things aren’t going according to plan, are they, Daggy?
So… why hasn’t your Dad brought you clean socks?
Besides, you’ve twice posted a phone number to a landline that’s almost four miles from the hospital (claiming it’s your cell). Not one thing you’ve said has even been valid. You’ve been lying from the start and it’s been so painfully obvious that we don’t need to call the hospital.
Oh and there isn’t a 1-800 number for Coney Island Hospital. Says so on their website.
And the fact that the number is a land line means that it is not his cell.
I don’t know why he wants us to call. It’s all just stupid to me.
Hint for you, Larry. Anyone who calls any hospital looking for patient information *will not get it*. Admitted, seeing a doc, been to the ER, a clinic, whatever. You will get no information. Why? Because of confidentiality. You know what that means, right? It means that your stay at a hospital, or reasons for visiting as a patient are protected.
So no, NO ONE can *just* call “Coney Island Hospital” and check if you’re all right or if you’re even in the damned place. You cannot prove over a phone you are family who are the ONLY people with the right to question about an in patient’s status and thus you would be told nothing except “Come in and talk to____”.
Now, I know this concept is hard for you to understand – perhaps you have eye cancer along with your ears and that is affecting your ability to read – but try, try to get it, ok?
The stupid of Larry is just… wow.
I don’t recall him stating that number was his cell phone. I thought he just said it was his number at the hospital, which clearly it isn’t.
You’re right, Rusty.
He has changed and added and edited everything he has said so many times that it becomes easy to get lost in the muddle.
Back when communities were smaller, hospitals would give out admissions information over the phone. People were not pulling stuff like they do today, creating an ever-increasing need for privacy.
Times changed — because of people like Larry.
So Coney Island hospital doesn’t have laundry service? Hell, even the Army hospitals brought me soft slippers and washed my socks when I asked.
What a shitty hospital…
Oh, wait, he’s friggin’ lying because he’s never spent time as an in-patient and have no idea how a hospital treats its patients.
Because
dirty socks != sanitary
Sanitary == Good
Good != unsanitary
dirty socks == unsanitary
Gee, so why wouldn’t the hospital like him dancing around the floor in dirty cornchip smelling socks to the tune of an imaginary Walkman?
Could it be…. Satan?
Keith, Facts and Dagstine were never on speaking terms.
About the phone number, I don’t think Livia’s check is conclusive.
If you look up contact numbers on the Coney Island Hospital website, and feed one of them into Intelius, it also comes up as a Verizon landline and with the same latitude and longitude as the one Dagstine gave out.
Is it possible the location on Avenue R is an exchange or mast?
Possible, but doubtful. Daggy gave that number as a direct contact, and hospital exchanges don’t work like that, AFAICT
Not only is Mike correct as far as my experience goes, but also Coney Island Hospital doesn’t list ANY 6000 numbers to go with its 616 exchange. Almost all the numbers listed are 4000 or 5000 numbers.
The Google map satellite and hybrid views show a rather small apartment building in a residential neighborhood. Something as large as a hospital isn’t too likely to have its node nearly four miles away in a city with that sort of population density. Also, I’m pretty sure that hospitals put patient calls through a switchboard number, and folks calling have to give a room number to the switchboard operator, much like at a hotel.
Wasn’t Vance the one saying just ring the hospital?
Yup. Now it’s Daggy begging people to call the hospital to inquire about him. Of course, Vance = Daggy.
It is very clear that Vance = Daggy.
Vance is Daggy’s romanticized image of himself. You look at the way he talks about his imaginary friend and you can see it.
Keith is spot on about patient confidentiality. When my Dad was in the hospital a few years ago, I had to get the room number and contact info from my Step Mother, who was with him when he was admitted. The hospital wouldn’t say anything.
I suppose he could always bust a wooden rolling pin over a kitchen counter, jam it in his ear, assign it a phone number, and wait for the calls to pour in, thus bypassing the hospital gate keepers.
Rusty, he would still need two empty soup cans and a very long piece of string.
Considering that at least two of the folks who questioned the veracity of his stunt are Brits, yeah, it’d have to be a very long string.
I think Rusty is on to something, intentionally or not.
I think he posted that number to see how many people called, how many people cared, to see if anyone would feel bad and offer condolences.
As I said previously, he asked me who all was “freaking out” expecting, I believe, to hear a large number of people were concerned about him, but when I instead said “Vance”, he sounded really disappointed.
That, and he has caller ID & probably wanting to sucker his foes into giving him their number.
P.S. Does Vance run that “My Mother Was A Trekkie” blog by chance? The one created solely for that fake put praising interview?
Oh, that’s exactly why he posted his number. He wanted people to freak out — specifically those who’ve poked fun at him and his shenanigans — feel remorse, call him to apologize, etc. He was bummed when none of that happened. Now he’s whining.
Things are not going according to his plan, although his expectations were ridiculous to begin with.
Oh — and, hi Sheryl. *waves*
The idea that he’s hoping more people will take pity on him goes along with his post from last week when he asked how many people wanted him to keep writing once he ‘got better.’ Also, he had the “I’m going to slowly delete my FB friends, but you can post in this thread and ask me not to delete you.’ Then today he’s been musing over whether or not he should also have a ‘fan page’ on FB.
Didn’t look too close, don’t care to look too close, because frankly – he’s sitting home somewhere, laughing every time someone posts something. Anything. It’s attention that he doesn’t deserve.
Anyway, was on my Facebook news wall thing, and a couple of people I know are now “friends with Lawrence Dagstine” – only it seems to be a new account. Him, or one of his personalities, or maybe hacker Vance come for revenge?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1322373821#!/profile.php?id=1322373821
Haha. He friended himself — or, rather, he friended his other account.
Awesome. I just blocked him. Again. He also seems to have started a fan page for himself. Sadly, I couldn’t block that, too.
That link doesn’t seem to be working. Is the new page gone already?
Try this one. He’s on quite a mission to collect friends, including pro authors.
I’m sure he’s also trying to use it as some kind of moral victory. He says these things on FB where I’m sure some people are still naive about what he is like. There he can act as if he’s a poor victim who is still being victimized by lies and cowards. What a victim!
Funny how he came here in peace and yet still bitching at his ‘enemies’ over there.
Also, someone somewhere is reading up on what his ‘enemies’ are saying because he’s clearly up to date.
Oh, and by my reckoning three people have called him at least. I suspect more.
At this point, I feel it really doesn’t matter if he’s in the hospital or not – who gives a fuck? What matters is that he’s posting so many half-trues and outright lies that it’s almost impossible to decipher what’s real or not – and more important, it’s totally deflected attention from the fact that he’s a fraud and a sham who fabricated most of his publication credits. Which is probably what he wanted, and I have to say, it’s worked very well. No matter what his health is over the coming months, or where he is or isn’t, I predict that by the end of the year, he’ll be posting about new sales in new markets that have no idea of his history because they haven’t done their due diligence, and that “400 sales” number will have been magically bumped up to “450”. Because don’t you all know that in addition to dancing to Madonna in the empty psych ward, he’s also been busy filing the serial numbers off his old stories so he can send them out again…
Outside of a few areas like this is anyone still talking about Dagstine. The subject has died on Shocklines and the BFS Forum. I doubt if anyone cares anymore – if all that many ever did. The ripplies are quickly dying away.
It’s mostly dead here. The only reason it hasn’t totally dried up and blown away is that Daggy keeps whining on his Facebook that none of his enemies care enough about him to call the hospital. Minor lulz, but lulz nonetheless.
A lot of us simply choose to keep our comments about Dagstine limited to this blog.
I don’t feel that carrying it beyond here would serve any purpose except to aggravate people.
I do hope that Dagstine is not allowed to continue cheating editors. It is bad for the industry.
Incidentally, I tried to join the BFS board, since several of my authors and editors are British. However, the admin refuses to approve my application.
“Incidentally, I tried to join the BFS board, since several of my authors and editors are British. However, the admin refuses to approve my application.”
Surprised about that, Janrae. Hell, even Dagstine was allowed to join. Would you like me to enquire for you? As editor of Prism I’m on the committee.
I would appreciate it.
Here’s an idea Daggy, if YOU want to prove so badly that YOU are in the hospital why don’t YOU call someone from your room? That would show up on their caller idea as the hospital.
Or better yet, give us your room number.
I don’t know if all hospitals are this way, but the ones I have visited always had the room numer as the last three digits of the phone number.
Keep an eye on “jr001” over at Shocklines.
Hmm. Someone’s on a fishing expedition.
Fishing, yes. But the “new” guy is not new at all. He’s someone who’s “starting over.”
I only found one thing there by him. What am I missing?
I’m scratching my head on this one too, Janrae…
If we see further posts by jr001, see if they don’t start to sound like Dagstine.
After Daggy makes a fool of himself, he always slinks back to Shocklines to make some totally new harmless sounding post. He’s used alts before to do so. I see nothing new in his approach this time. Shockines is one of the few forums from which he hasn’t been banned — yet — so he keeps going back.
Now he’s started the “NEW (Sober) LAWRENCE DAGSTINE” Facebook page.
I have been talking to the various fantasy and sf small press publishers I know, my friends as it were, and alerting them to him.
He’s going to get a cold shoulder from the better paying ones.
Because the old Lawrence Dagstine page was a drunkard on drugs? I always feel bad for HTML when it needs an Intervention…
Anytime you would like to talk Rusty, we can set up a phone conversation or a meeting preferably in Manhattan or Queens. This message can certainly be interpreted as confrontational; it is, but not intended to be in an aggro/combative sort-of-way. I searched your site for a way to contact you, couldn’t find one, and ‘went this route’. If possible, please block my email address. Thanks.
oooh, big scawy man wanna intimidate the ladies?
Go fuck a fruitcake!
Oh, right, you already have. It’s a Lawwy Dagswine fruitcake.
Howdy.
What kind of confrontation do you consider to be “non combative”, if I may ask?
Sounds like an oxymoron to me…
And Rusty would need to talk to you… why? Some of us were under the impression that you recused yourself from this.
they seem determined to get a phone call. That makes me wonder why.
Dagstine claimed to have stalked her in real life.
I have to wonder why they want so badly to locate her.
Far be it from me to tell you how to spend your time, Mr. Cashin, but you are not entitled to mine, whether by phone, or in person. Neither’s your buddy.
Janrae, I have posted this on the BFS Forum for you.
http://www.britishfantasysociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2638.0
If nothing happens, I’ll take it further.
I appreciate it.
There’s a hilarious thread about Dagstine on author Paul G. Tremblay’s Facebook wall.
Apparently, it’s friends only. 🙁
A brief exchange from his new “sober” Facebook page:
“Sam Stone- Larry have you deleted your other page – or is the hacker controlling it?”
“Lawrence Dagstine- Not at this time, but I know this guy semi-well, he can if he wants to, which is why I a starting up a new one and will turn the other into a fan page (maybe even delete it if I have to).”
Ummm… no. You just change the password and don’t give it to him.
Wow! He’s already deleted it. He must be doing some serious lurking on this thread.
I heard about this new and “sober” reinvention of Dagstine on Facebook, but I wonder if the fact that he has not updated his own website lately is part of a plan to try to ignore, at least in one venue, his other problems. For days and days and days now, it leads with the same post bragging about his recent publication in OG’s SPECULATIVE FICTION, with the very same story that he had previously published twice.
After I called him out over this, he demanded I remove any link from my site to his and evidently tried to cut all internet ties to me (though covers of my zine have continued to be displayed on that weird random page of zine covers that constitutes his bibliography). I wonder why he hasn’t shunned Seth Crossman of OG’s similarly yet? Seth does not take (intentionally) reprints and would never have published any of Dagstine’s stories had he known they were all used. But he got thrice taken like this, and he knows it now. Because I told him. Is it perhaps too obvious now, if he suddenly takes down the post about OG’s? I noticed, also, that while he has removed the link to M-BRANE SF in his magazine links list, he keeps the ones to RANDOM EYE (which has gone down entirely for redesign in part over this fiasco) and to NECROTIC TISSUE, whose publisher called him out by name as “Douchebag of the Year” last week. And there are a whole bunch of other publishers with similar views now, including ones that have made the mistake of taking him at his word a bunch of times.
If he took them all down, he would not have much left.
His little charade has not served its purpose of distracting editors and other authors from the facts of what he did.
If anything, all it has accomplished is to make us all more aware of them.
I also think he is waiting to see if those editors decide to feel sorry for him and pity publish him.
I’m a novelist. I rarely produce more than one short a year and I never bother to sub them. So I don’t have a horse in this race.
My editors for all of my lines are well aware of Dagstine’s penchants for both drama and deception. He can’t sell to Daverana.
Has anyone attempted to make a list of his reprints sold as originals, along with the publication names and dates in which they appeared?
I haven’t. While I’ve known for years that he counts reprints among his publication credits — his numbers don’t come close to adding up, otherwise — I pretty much assumed the editors/publishers involved were aware they had accepted reprints. Obviously, the truth is worse than I initially thought.
As for lawrencedagstine.com, it’s just a parked domain name that is redirected to his blog hosted at WordPress. Chris, you’re well within your rights to report him for copyright violation for continuing to use your cover images, if that’s a route you’d like to pursue.
I agree with Rusty. A list would go a long way toward preventing the type of thing that happened to M-Brane and others.
I found a wiki where people were trying to create a list and will have to go look for it again.