By now, he’s almost broken through to Oz.
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Subject: Re: Talk about hanging yourself Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:10:35 -0400 From: David Boyer <nvfmagazine@gmail.com> To: janraefrank@gmail.com It must be nice to be able to act like { or actually be? } a complete sociopath, and get away with fooling people into thinking you are a victim. I am utterly fascinated by your stupidity, too. My attorney has ALL of your silly little email threats, and even downloaded your daughter’s video to a flash drive for future reference. You all keep digging your own graves from a legal standpoint, and are apparently too uneducated about the legal system to realize it.
In addition, as far as an ”extended metaphor” is concerned, it will make no difference in a court of law, because of your past history of harrassing me via email. It will still be considered evidence for my behalf. In all honesty? It’s hard for me to believe you and your mentally challenged offspring haven’t been sued so many times you are living on the street begging for handouts. But…who knows what the future may bring?! I can only hope….
This whole ignorant and unnecessary situation stemmed from a silly little story your daughter co-wrote with me almost three years ago, and now is lying about to save face for a bad story, and for the reason of getting some attention as well. Bottom line? I am not going to be prosecuted or imprisoned over your silly little allegations, so why don’t you just back off? But not before acquiring some well-needed psychiatric treatment for your daughter, of course.
Her words, quote:”I would keep him alive long enough to watch eventually DIE from shock.”
A looney-tune if I ever heard one. Therapy and prescription meds are in order.
As a matter of fact, I have NEVER met a horror writer yet – at least the small time, Anne Rice wannabes like Jane – that didnt have a screw loose.Enough said.
By way of background, in a previous email to Janrae, he linked to Jane’s “Mad as Hell” video on YouTube, claiming that his lawyer downloaded it onto a thumb drive for “evidence.” Obviously, he’s convinced that Jane is Janrae’s daughter, which explains why he’s going after Janrae.
For those of you who may not have seen the video in question, Jane’s accompanying note on YouTube reads “Feel free to repost everywhere!” I believe I’ll take you up on that offer, Jane.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvhG0CtG1GU]
Rusty,
Jan has actually adopted Jane so technically she IS her daughter. Both of them have every right to be livid with this scum-bag and if anyone is a sociopath it’s Dave. The man has no shame and lies with just about every breath.
It doesn’t give him the right to go after Janrae to get to Jane. And, being called for pulling his bullshit on Jane doesn’t give him the right to go after her, either.
Dear goodness me no, it does not give him that right. Sorry if that came across wrong. I seem to be exceptionally grumpy today where retards are concerned =)
I also get rabidly protective of the people I work with. When you are rummaging in the guts of their literary children on a daily basis it’s kinda hard not to. A lot of these nitwit outbreaks tend to suck up precious energy reserves.
I look forward to seeing this time-wasting clown taken down.
Come on, “Tin Foil” Dave, let’s see just how far you’ll fall…
Rusty, I have Jane listed as my daughter on facebook. I adopted her.
Boyer has gone after her directly now. It’s up on her facebook.
People, Jane needs your emotional support. If she’s on your list, let her know you’re there for her.
I know that. My point was that he was using it as a reason to go after you.
I’m not about to sign up for Facebook, but Jane has my support. Don’t let her forget it. 😉
I have posted a link up to this thread on facebook. I fully understand not wanting to get onto facebook. In some ways it is a bit too exposed.
But a lot of your readers here are. In fact, a lot of your regulars are on my friends list there.
”I would keep him alive long enough to watch eventually DIE from shock.”
A looney-tune if I ever heard one. Therapy and prescription meds are in order.
ROTLMAO. Has anyone read his shit? Things like biting off a woman’s nipple, and tearing off genitals? Oh, and get the quote right, Boyer. The word “he” was never used, nor was a name.
From Janrae:
I love the way his signature asks folks to destroy the evidence. The whole thing smacks of desperation. I question whether he even has a lawyer. Any real lawyer would have told him to STFU by now.
“My Uncle, who lives in Kentucky, has a very good friend who works for Homeland Security, and he has a friend who is former FBI –”
This looks a lot like what we call in the behavior mod biz confabulation.
From Jane:
And he gets it wrong again. My extended metaphor was about wanting to wear his balls on a chain around my neck.
That exchange went up on my blog on October 25th
The idiot still has an extract of my story up here despite me emailing him to remove it: http://irondavefiction49.webs.com/anthopreview.htm
Paul, email me and I’ll have Rick give you the instructions for filing a complaint with the AG’s office.
This is the stuff of which true horror is made, isn’t it? I am so sorry that everyone is having to go through all this. I wish I had known what he was up to when I first met him. Now that I think of it, though, I remember hearing one comment from someone else who used to work with him, but unfortunately I don’t remember anything other than he was difficult to work with, or that he didn’t like how he worked. . .but there was absolutely no mention of plagiarizing, etc. I wish said friend had been more forthcoming. . .
So, hindsight being one of the best teachers, I’m interested in knowing from others what measures “we” should all take so as not to have this occur again, and to nip it in the bud so to speak. Beyond the obvious, of course.
Take care Jane et all. . .
Ter
Thanks, cussedness! Paul, email me anytime on this. The more people he’s plagiarized and stiffed who file with the Indiana Attorney General’s Office, the more ammunition they’ll have to go after him. Here’s the link: http://12.186.81.50/ConsumerComplaintForm/ConsumerComplaintForm.htm
I filed for consumer fraud since he was fraudulently misrepresenting his products as his own when they were in fact stolen. Also, anyone who he has stiffed for royalties or whom he took money from but did not deliver the goods (books, mags and such), can file on the same basis. If he’s selling product you didn’t authorize, just go to that complaint form. By the way, you might be confused when you hit the question about the dollars involved. Just enter zero or whatever then, under the portion where you explain the situation, just let them know that it’s difficult to estimate until they audit his records.
Good luck and email me anytime- that goes for any of you!
And, he’s quite abusive to writers who stand up to him. That’s how you know you’re on the right track and should file a complaint with the Attorney General. I’m betting he’ll whimper when they come calling.
Found this link to an article by Tyree Campbell about Boyer’s shenanigans on Rick’s blog. Scroll down to “Against the Story Thieves: The Battle Continues.” Although there’s little new information there, it’s pretty interesting.
Aww. Nicky got some love from Boyer. Apparently, Boyer can’t tell the difference between libel and slander any better than Nicky can. If he really had a lawyer, which I highly doubt, the lawyer would be able to set him straight.
The more of these love letters Boyer sends people, the more he starts looking like Nicky and Dagstine. Same. Damn. Tactics.
Anytime someone threatens “lawyer” rather than simply having said lawyer contact the target…it’s pretty much huffing-and-puffing bullsh*t.
Usually is, especially the way that he’s doing it. I consulted my attorney about taking Boyer to court myself and was informed that since I did not have those stories under contract, I could not sue. Daverana has Jane’s novels under contract.
We are still discussing our options, however, and ways in which to back Jane’s play. She has filed a complaint with the FBI and with the AG’s office.
If enough complaints pile up and Boyer remains intransigent, then the AG has promised to file criminal charges against Boyer.
At this point, Boyer still has many of the stories out there, selling them.
I got this from Boyer:
“Oh yes, I am sure the FBI will be coming after me, as well as the attorney general. And as far as my legal documents are concerned, you will not know about them or who my attorney is until the time comes.
You enjoy, too.”
Translation: I’m bluffing, and I don’t have a lawyer. I’m going to get away with this, because the FBI and AG can’t be bothered going after small potatoes like me.
Seeing as he already has a criminal history, I think those organizations might be less apathetic than usual =)
All “Tin Foil” has to do is come here and threaten all of us, and his journey to the “Duh” side of the Farce will be complete.
He’s frickin’ dumb, but I can’t believe he’d be that dumb. I mean, natural selection has to kick in sometime!
You never know, Birdie. He’s been wearing that puffer fish costume for some time now. Shellacked puffer fish make great Christmas tree ornaments . . . along with starfish and sand dollars. 😉
Turns out I do have a leg to stand on in filing a complaint and starting a legal action. Under the terms of my contract on Jane’s novels, I have a right of refusal clause on her next book. The stories are mine.
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/11/04/the-stupidest-thing-an-editor-with-three-decades-of-experience-has-said-about-the-web-today/
OMG. I love it!
This nonsense made its way over to Shocklines, too:
http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/16705/t/Bone-headed-plagiarism.html
I have been posting replies all over the place.
I think this deserves its own entry here. The more bloggers who pick up on it, the better. I probably don’t have much in the way of editorializing that hasn’t been said elsewhere, but I can certainly post links galore.
Go for it.
Geez, is there something in the water?! Thankfully Cooks Source Magazine was stopped before they could steal Nicky’s recipe for failure.
Hello, I just discovered this site and unfortunately it looks like I was also taken in by this guy. He contacted me about two months ago, oddly enough through my wordpress blog, and though I did do some checking, it was before most of this hit Google.
He asked me to be part of “Crimson Dreams”, a follow-up to a previous anthology, and I filled out an interview and submitted a story entitled Neitzche’s Portal. He sent me a contract which I did fill out, and since I was mostly trying to publish for name recognition, I wasn’t worried about royalties.
He recently (Oct. 15th) sent me an email saying that he was in talks with Pill Hill Press to publish the book sometime in December.
I guess I’ll wait and see what happens. I’m not terribly concerned, but I wish I’d found this site sooner.
So this “Crimson Screams” will be the 4th time Boyer has pushed this book?!?!?!???
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May 4, 2009:
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/crimson-screams/4804881?productTrackingContext=search_results/search_shelf/center/5
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2009 with Turner Maxwell Books:
http://www.freewebs.com/crimsonscreams/
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October 2010 with Sams Dot Publishing
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And now in December 2010 with Phil Hill Press
Dagstine knows cops and threatens us on Shocklines with crimes that he is the one committing, not us.
Nicky Pacione has a cousin who is a cop who will go after anyone who sends him pirate rubber ducks.
Funny how the Nitwits always resort to “My mom knows the principle so you better stop” mentality.
MY uncle, who is Overlord of the entire planet of Teenyweenie, messaged me through my tooth filing and told me that jackrabbits are made of skittles and that the Overlord Committee has the power to turn Boyer into a safety pin holder. So.. ya know.. he might wanna back off.
Dang, all the fine people I know! (Helps to have a big family of academics.)
I know some Nobel-winning physicists. Does it follow that I myself know one damn *thing* about physics? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
I know some whip-smart lawyers, too. Is their legal knowledge *any more transmissible by contagion* than those physicists’ science?
Or would I have to work just as hard in either case, to gain that knowledge *the same way they did*, with years of study?
How stupid is it that I even have to *ask* these questions?
Well, *you* here all knew the answers already. I’m just blowing off steam. Gahhh.