Hat tip: PG
This thread at SL starts out innocently enough, with what I think is sort of a dumb question. Some people have sensible advice/answers. But the thread devolves pretty quickly into a slugfest between Kenwood and a few others.
Although none of the triumvirate of Nitwits is involved, it’s still worth a read if you’re bored, and have time to go through five pages.
I propose the Nitwits are involved. See the troll comment on the final page of that thread, as well as here: http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/13240
It appears Daggy got himself a new alt, since being outed as Mr. Deeds.
Here we go again. Unlike Daggy’s usual drivel, HorrorsEnd’s entry contains no gratuitous use of italics or capital block letters, but it’s a wall-o’-text chock full of ellipses, with an unhealthy dose of piss and vinegar.
Why in the hell would he bring up Kevin, in the context of Shroud? As far as I know, Kevin had a story in Shroud, and maybe did a review or two for them. It was something like that, anyway, that didn’t involve running the magazine. Besides, Kevin was neither involved nor mentioned in the thread that got locked.
Why mention bipolar disease? Is the author a friend of Pacione who misses his little buddy?
Why take a stab at Jason and Apex? It’s possible I’m getting my magazines mixed up, but hasn’t Apex Digest undergone several ownership changes/revivals over the years?
Sleeping one’s way to the top is a time-worn Pacione accusation. Claiming that someone has “inside connections” to Lulu is absurd. I was half expecting HorrorsEnd to claim inside connections at Kinko’s, because he lives down the street from a guy who works there. Such a claim would be right in line with claiming to have a “career in pharmacy,” based solely upon having a job delivering prescriptions.
If HorrorsEnd isn’t Daggy, it sure is someone with his mindset — and several of his most annoying writing quirks.
Nick Mamatas got in a nice zinger. This thread is definately worth screengrabbing as it progresses.
Thanks for the tip, PG.
PG is right in that troll alts mysteriously appear not long after Larry makes a fool of himself once again.
However I don’t think that was him. I think the creator of that thread Keene’d themselves elsewhere and it appears it was probably a drunk rant since said suspect doesn’t seem to have problems with paragraph breaks otherwise.
(I have an uncanny ability to sniff out alts but I really have no desire to out that person)
The last words on that post are “Good day.” That’s a common Dagstine closer, along with “(Have a) good night.” I suspect it’s him, though I could be wrong.
The “Yum!” part sounds more like Phailbin, though. If it’s not a Nitwit, it appears to be someone who follows their nonsense closely enough to approximate it, however badly.
Al: Who do you think it is?
Rusty:
Kevin and Shorud = Daggy crowed that he had a story accepted by Shroud, who then informed him that he didn’t.
Bipolar disease = Keene has been quite forthcoming about the fact that he suffers from it.
Jason and Apex = Have rejected several of Daggy’s submissions.
I think it was Michele who brought up Apex in the other thread, so its mention in this thread wasn’t out of the blue. Yes, I’m aware they’ve rejected Daggy’s submissions.
Whoever HorrorsEnd is, he’s got a long list of perceived enemies, and one hell of a chip on his shoulder.
Another thing that makes me suspect it’s Dagstine: the blatant display of ignorance of context – case in point, claiming he thought certain people owned Shroud or Apex when one need only read past the front cover the see who’s in charge.
And . . . bahleeted! I’ll post the screengrab later, if anyone’s interested.
Yes, please!
Here you go. Enjoy.
I think it is dagstine.
I had two suspects: One male, one female.
But after reading what Mike and Janrae said, then considering the lack of paragraph breaks fits into the troll/alt M.O. of trying to cover who the real person is by removing all of their normal typing styles, which he did when he stalked Pacione, the fact he’s been absent lately (he has no life he’s always lurking there) and the fact that alt repeated itself repeatedly and referred to “we” to give the impression it was some sort of scary cabal….
Yeah I think it’s Daggy.
He tries to make it look like someone else is doing it by stealing some of their lines (usually badly) and yet can’t disguise his own signature usages.
Yeah well he won’t be able to harass you anonymously anymore Janrae, because we’re onto him. Plus now everyone is back on the same page so he isn’t just dealing with you and Rusty anymore.
I’m lazy right now, but
http://nickolauspacione.blogspot.com/2007/10/more-from-that-donkey-punch.html
http://nickolauspacione.blogspot.com/2007/09/e-pirates-are-known.html
Look familiar? Valentine Vegen strikes again…
Wow.
I’m the review guy and I’m editing a poetry anthology for Shroud. That’s about it.
*Shrug*
Back to work, now. Hello all, BTW. Read a lot still, not much time to post, anymore.
Thank you, Al.
And nice to see you again, Kevin.
You too, Janrae. Been busy with school and family and writing, but I swing by every now and then.
Huh, I wonder if the Idaho/WA/OR was a punch at me. Probably just my paranoia kicking in.
If it is Daggy I wouldn’t be surprised Ant since I do believe you were among the people he tried to take a swipe at when he posted his whiny crudfest The Runaway Hack on his site.
“They should have called it NOBODY-CON. Some would go on to become editors or work for literary agencies. Some would start indie presses or become poster children for RPG handbooks.”
He’s at it again, making statements that have no logical connection: http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/13254/t/Instead-of-quot-saving-teh-genre-quot.html
it’s definitely daggy. He’s got himself another alt in order to make himself look like a large group of people. That’s what he did to me in 07 and it drove it to make all of my posts friends only.
That’s got to be Daggy. His name at the site comes up with not having been around since the 10th, so I suspect he’d resurrected himself as someone else.
And why should Apex publish his stuff? Apex are a professional magazine. Dagstine is nowhere near that level.
I like the way that at the TTA forum, hardly anyone replies to his posts. He usually ends up responding to his own posts.
The fact that Daggy has to talk to himself on a forum board makes me laugh.
Agreed, Johaha. Dagstine will never be at that level. And he responded to an argument proving him wrong with an image that makes no sense in the argument.
Nice job Daggy, you outed yourself in three posts.
HA! Keene just outed Ransom as that Phillip Hansen asshole who used to post under the alt Savage Steve King, and outed Lawrence Dagstine as Horror’s End (or Horse’s End).
Somebody get screen caps! Daggy and Hansen are getting it from all sides.
It’s really funny is that there are a lot of pivotal works that were written just SO the author could put food on the table and keep the family off the street. Shows just how little they really know about the genre.
I’ve got screengrabs. Hope I didn’t miss anything while I was busy baking a batch of carrot cake cupcakes. The cream cheese frosting can wait.
Ah nicky…still thinking anyone is foaming at the mouth or gives a rat’s ass that another one of your badly written books that will never sell is out there.
ROFLMAO. My coffee-sprayed keyboard and monitor, however, are less appreciative than I.
Kudos to Mary, as well.
It’s getting good again.
That Nick Cook is a bit of a douchebag, isn’t he?
Very much kudos to Mary. People should copy that and just slap it up everytime someone starts a genre dying thread, with due credit being given of course.
Save on all that bitch slapping. 😉
Mary has always been very grounded. She’s not a loose fuse spluttering about.
Dagstine is emblematic of a lot that went wrong with the genre in the small press department.
And you don’t just see Daggy ilk in horror. I’ve encountered them in sf and fantasy also.
I have been in the industry for 30 years and I have seen people with far more talent than I have just vanish and it breaks my heart because I expected to be reading their work for years and years to come.
In Amazons, I was one of two first time authors. The other one was the author of a story called “Rape Patrol.” She sold five more stories and vanished. A few years back, I tried asking around the Seattle fan community about what had happened to her and no one even knew.
Since the thread reached page 3, I doubt Matt will delete it, but I am taking screengrabs in case it gets pruned and locked.
Guys,
Sorry for my silence of late, been busy with the day job. Had to drop this one in the mix. Our favourite novel content “borrower” and “it wasn’t my faulter” Lanaia Lee has some fantastic news on her website and publishers pages!
Check this!…
http://www.rovalpublishing.net/Lanaia%20Lee.html
Yes, on Rovals page for “Of Atlantis” we learn her book is to become a MAJOR MOTION PICTURE by Visionary Films of Louisville! Quick Google later and we find this. http://www.media-match.com/directory/visionary-films-842914 … and their link on Myspace… DEAD!
Can’t wait, Warner Bros. watch out!
Next up, on Ms Lee’s personal website…
http://www.lanaiaslair.com/LanaiasBooks.html
For only $15 the book can be yours!
Wow, what can I say!
Vern.
Now I have seen everything! It was a VANITY movie company.
While you’re all in a mood for fun, check this monstrosity out:
http://community.livejournal.com/sf_drama/2556609.html
(Eight days later and it’s still goin’ on, too.)
Wow. I read the excerpt from Ms Lee’s book.
May I say it was bad, bad, bad without offending anyone?
Of course not.
And it was bad.
Her ignorance is showing on the website. She tries to make it sound as if the Graeco-Roman aspect of her book is highly original because most authors do it as highly advanced.
Yet I have read many novels from the golden age that were reprinted in the Ballentine Adult Fantasy series that depicted Atlantis as Graeco-Roman. I’ve also read it done as Egyptian. It was a big favorite of the Golden Age authors.
Sorry, Ms. Lame Lame. But you’re fooking full of fooking shit.
Sorry. I’m reading and re-reading FreakAngels and starting to sound like them. lol
Looks like Nicky is on the loose – I saw the following on one of his “friends” facebook pages. I’ll not name and shame her….
Nickolaus Pacione – add this link to your website. http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/tabloid-purposes-iv/1117828 this is the updated version of Tabloid Purposes IV with a new cover I shot last summer. The other version got deleted because some weren’t happy with the pay. That lead to nearly losing my lulu.com account because of the unruly nature of the one disgrunted worker.
Added this thursday so he’s obviously still got access to a pc somewhere!
I love Freak Angels. Great comic.
Oh Larry, you fail yet again: http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/reply/135650/t/Instead-of-quot-saving-teh-genre-quot-.html#reply-135650
Looks like his eyes turned green for a moment, then went back to being crap brown.
Freak Angels!!!!!
FreakAngels! Yay!
Dagstine will never learn. Just won’t.