This thread that Phailbin started was ignored for a while, but suddenly went ‘splodey this afternoon. I have a screen grab in case Matty snips and/or deletes it.
Oh, for heaven’s sake. Don’t you silly people ever grow up? What’s new now… Lawrence destroyed the Genre. Lawrence molests childrens. Lawrence is The Rusty Nail. Lawrence is in cahoots with Janrae Frank. Lawrence stalks women and gay people. Lawrence is pretending to be Pacione but Pacione is pretending to be Tallman while Mike Philbin takes over the Interwebz. Lawrence is diddling Karen Koehler. Lawrence is this, Lawrence is that. Have you ever thought about just writing your books or stories and being appreciative to your genre and the people within it? Make the fucking world a better place with words.
But don’t spout off silly shit like this. If you have some kind of secret agenda with Mr. Pacione, or he really did do something against you just recently, then you should contact Mr. Pacione. Or perhaps even the Morris County PD. Sometimes it’s funny, and yeah sometimes even a joke can be cracked, but after four, five years it gets terribly old. No, sad. And how old are you Karen? Go live life. Smell a flower. Write books. Try and make the genre a better place. Make a million dollars.
I remember when I used to make fun of Nickolaus Pacione — and I regret that, because back three or four years ago, I learned the truth and lost my dignity for doing that to Mr. Pacione — and he told me that, if you become a horror writer, certain things are going to happen in chronological order. Who to stay away from. He showed me everything, and sure as shit that stuff went down. It was as if he was a fortune teller!
But, for a long time now, that doesn’t concern me. Before I exit this thread and the brady bunch troll brigade arrives in full flock, make your genre a better place. You got a book out now… Black Jack Derringer, correct? Promote it. Much success. But please, grow up.
Apologies to Matt Schwartz in advance, because he knows the real deal and he probably will be deleting or locking things down later.
Watch Daggy get PWNed. The funniest thing is that the overwhelming majority of the stuff he accuses others of accusing him is stuff that he made up. Witness: nobody ever confused him with me.
He just could not leave me out. What a pack of stupid and fail that boy is.
He even brought up Tallman, of all people. If he weren’t such an avid reader of this blog, He’d most likely never have heard of her.
Tossing in that line about diddling Karen sounds like a
wetpipe dream of his.Karen’s really smart so she wouldn’t have brought it up if he hadn’t been doing that.
I thought that bit too.
That was typical reaction from him. Take what has been thrown at him, then turn up to 200, then add a bunch of bullshit no one ever thought, let alone said, to heighten his victim status.
It was also typical of him – go on a Philbin thread and mention Pacione. Try to drag everyone in with him.
If he’d been on the Titanic, he’d have picked a fight with that iceberg, then burned all the lifeboats.
I can’t help thinking all this nonsense from him is a lead-up to some announcement he’ll be making in the next week or so.
I’ve started getting hate mail that looks that it’s an alt of Daggy.
It also has all the earmarks of what he did to me in 2007.
Every time he gets called out for doing or saying something wrong, he goes all ass-plodey. This little tirade of his tells me he did it.
Boy gets dumber with each passing day.
No, Dagstine, you did not destroy the genre, but some of your other admittances do ring true. Now go flounce, form a sock puppet that’s easily identified as you on SL and then come back to start the cycle all over again, you little misogynistic shit.
I’d like to see him try to scare me off hate mail. Oh, wait, that’ll never happen because he only goes after women.
What a dick.
I just forwarded the email to Rusty.
This slime bucket always goes after women.
I know, and it gets my temper up (even I know damn well that the ladies here can handle themselves and are more adept at smack-down-fu than most people I know).
And, I know this sounds weird for saying it, but kudos to Philbin for not commenting on Daggy’s fubar or the subsequent fallout, and just saying, “here’s a link for anyone interested.”
That was him pretending to be Nicky who was messing with Karen?! Did he fuck up with his IP address again?
Now Janrae?
Along the lines of what Mike said…these douchebags go after women, thinking it’s a safe bet, but the women they go after aren’t pushovers by any stretch. Quite the oppossite.
And they never seem to consider who their friends are. Or how no one has ever gotten away with anything (we haz detective skillz!)
I just forwarded that email to you also, Al.
No, he did not get caught by me over his IP. I based it on the fact that he had the only real reason to send that and the sentence structure is very much Dagstine’s.
It also fits the same pattern as the main Alt that Dagstine used in chasing me around LJ and the various messageboards in 07/08
I’ll check it out. People at odark thought I was full of shit for being able to read an alt’s “MO” and figure out who it was, in fact someone once suggested Dan or Susan were telling me IP addresses (which they NEVER did, ever, much to my dismay one time haha) so I’ll take a look. But I trust your conclusion though.
There are no words for the filth that is Larry.
Amuses me that the thread is still there.
Personally, I’m convinced that the last bit – ‘probably will be deleting or locking things down later.’ – was just his wishful thinking. Please cover my tracks!
He probably did report the thread to Matty, who for once showed some judgment, and saw nothing out of line, besides Larry’s tirade.
I am convinced that, if anyone can figure this out, it’s Rusty and Al.
http://bittenbybooks.com/?p=19120
Right off the bat I can tell you this:
Nicky has been scared of Janrae for a long time, years even. He even backed off of Sovay, which was probably out of fear of Janrae (plus that ‘xanga team’ prank ROFL).
Look at two year’s worth of blogs, look at the editorials in his books from the past two years, and you will see NO mention of Janrae, any of her mythos, companies associated with her, etc. And Janrae has never, ever let up on Nicky, ever. People have said far less during this time and he’s raged at everyone else.
tl;dr I’m officially ruling out Nicky.
Something had gotten Dagstine into a mood to fight again. He’s taking on three of us at the same time.
I don’t know how long it takes him to process things, but I’m wondering if that review at Bitten by Books is part of it.
Except for the occasional comment on Rusty, I’ve been ignoring Dagstine.
To the best of my knowledge, so has Karen.
This doesn’t really make sense — unless there’s something going on that we’re not yet aware of.
Karen has certainly done nothing to provoke this. She’s been doing exactly what he spouted off she should do: concerning herself with her work. Hell, she just recently pried herself away from that long enough to re-launch her blog (which I’m thankful for) and her posts have been innocent enough.
I’m glad to hear that Karen has re-launched her blog. I have always enjoyed reading it.
The dots are just not connecting up for me.
It’s an attention ploy. Dagstine craves it so much he can’t recognize the good from the bad. Let’s see, Janrae got stuff coming out as e-books, Karen has Black Jack Derringer (I need to buy me a copy of that). What does Larry have? Nothing worth discussing — as people ignore him on SL — so he lashes at those successful people that he thinks he can overpower.
And, of course, he never learns from his mistakes.
Here’s a couple of articles on the subject of professional jealousy by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. Dagstine fits those negative traits to a “T.”
*ahem*
It is entirely possible that Larry’s hissy fit has to do with a recent rejection over ‘The Girl who Dreamt Portals’. He may think that I am a sock puppet for Cuss or an outright pawn as it says right in my profile that I work for Daverana as well.
I have no axes to grind with Larry personally as I only started working for Cuss in 2009. I simply didn’t like the story and he also appeared to have missed a vital caveat in the submission guidelines for this publication regarding re-prints.
First off I too am glad to see Karen has returned!
Secondly, Jerrod said it best when he asked Larry why he posted that in THAT thread…
…ETT posts yesterday that Nicky is collaborating with another author, but he obviously wanted it kept secret. In a thread that had nothing to do with anything other than Mike started it, we get an empty congrats on their project, *a project Larry was left out of*.
Think of it like being at some function, and someone says to their friend really loud “HEY I heard you and my soon-to-be ex had sex and are having a baby together congrats!”
The email Janrae got had one word spelled as they would in the UK but not others, and it was written in the same sarcastic style as someone else we know, within a few hours of her degrading Larry, not Mikey. In other words, someone has a habit of sending vile anonymous emails to his foes but always tries to leave clues in so the receiver believes it came from someone else, in this case, he threw his “friend” under the bus.
When he posts on Shocklines, you’re either going to see him obviously trying to stir up shit over there, or a “WAT R UR FAVORITE _________” that’s it.
you want to make a bet that his little ebook short “Visitation Rights” is not selling either?
Janrae re-checketh thine email.
Nicky, Larry, Mike, Eric, Iron Dave… one illiterate, egotistic moron can be so easily interchanged for another. It’s like substituting Sweet’N Low for Splenda: yeah, it’ll be sweet, but you’ll still have a bad taste in your mouth.
Holy Fuck!
I wish Daggy would take a pot-shot at me again.
I’ll ass fuck him into next year.
And yes, I did say that.
Sorry to offend.
*gives Johaha a cast iron dildo to do the raping with*
Nothing Daggy writes sells well. He still lists no publisher(s) for the last three stories in his SL signature.
As for that comment on Bittenbybooks, I wonder if the chick who made it is around 12.
It’s very disturbing behavior. I actually feel sorry for his son, who has to grow up with this overweight, unemployed, irresponsible, pathological liar of a father.
You know, I could almost understand the behavior if it netted some sort of result. Mike has a book out, sends lap dog Larry off to rattle cages…and bang book sales increase. But neither of these two sociopaths are successful…so it just comes off as icky.
It’d be interesting if Mike had him post there to get more views for his thread.
That chick must have been a drive by. I’ve been searching the site and I can’t find any other spots of participation by her anywhere.
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Common-Writer-Lawrence-Dagstine/dp/141344900X
This “Trish” and “Annie” appear to be the same people. And I’m certain that I have seen “Annie” connected to him in some way before.
Possibly either as the name of a character or someone like his wife?
Something else I noticed that I forgot to mention Janrae: That email you received? Did you notice the dig at SirOtter in it?
I don’t think it’s a stretch of the imagination to assume that there was a specific reason to use “SavageOtter” in an email like that…
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A31RBLWOFZAOC3/ref=cm_cr_dp_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview
I agree with you on that, Al.
Also, this Annie is Daggy’s gf/wife.
Now Janrae that’s just a coincidence that those positive reviews just happened to use the term “thought provoking”…
This also is a coincidence
http://lawrencedagstine.com/2008/01/16/the-ranfurly-review-march-2008-acceptance/
and all three of those reviews read like Larry wrote them.
That’s odd, because his gf/wife’s name is Christine. I do remember an Annie Alvarez from sometime last year, I think, who commented that she doesn’t know Daggy personally. She writes gay erotica, according to her Authorsden.
I stand corrected. But there’s an Annie connection beyond this. The name sticks in my mind oddly.
Ooh. New advice column on Facebook from Nikita. New entry coming right up!
I’m almost too worn out to think straight right now, so forgive me for any wrong conclusions. I’ve been in knots since I got that email last night.
I stopped to check email when I woke up briefly in the middle of the night and then never went back to sleep
Janrae was on the right path: They are facebook friends at least.
Rusty HURRY UP WITH THE NICKY UPDATE!
It’s up now.
I thought the exact same thing when I saw the savageotter bit.
Sir Otter, who I don’t know but always enjoyed his thoughts when I’ve come across them, recently announced on here his future plans. Can’t help but think that led to the dig.
I do know Sir Otter has handed Daggy his arse to him a few times, if in a most gentlemanly manner.
Janrae said she got the email midnight her time. That’s 5am for us on Ye Olde Isle.
I can’t see even Philbin being up at that time with nothing better to do than fire off one short email.
And I knew Neve had good taste!
Just checked that email again.
Behaviour – yup, Brit spelling.
But center and centered, a Brit doesn’t do that.
Sticking a U in a word is the obvious trick of a Mockney.
Honestly, I first read it as Canadian (the spelling is s mix of Brit and Yank), but then it struck me as an American trying to emulate a Brit. Sounds like you came to the same conclusion, Crit.
I’d offer my investigative services, but it sounds like you’ve got this in the proverbial bag.
To be honest I’m sure we could train chimps to figure this kind of bullshit tactics. 😉
The only danger would be if they learned and then use such knowledge against us!
The chimp would probably recognize when its tactics were transparent. Score one for the chimp.
Yeah, I’ve been really, really going under with my workload–two jobs, order fulfillment, taxes, writing, everything else. Plus my mom decided to go back to school to get her chef degree, so I’ve been helping her with that. 🙂 I still try to enjoy the lulz-go-round, though.
Chef’s degree . . . that sounds like fun. So, can we expect to see any drool-worthy food porn?
food porn!!!